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When did it all go wrong?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Matt Black, Aug 18, 2010.

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When did it go wrong?

  1. Apostles dying

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  2. 4th century

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  3. Fall of the Western Roman Empire

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  4. Great Schism

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  5. Council of Trent

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  6. Vatican II

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  7. Another date

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  1. Doubting Thomas

    Doubting Thomas Active Member

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    Two very good questions. I am anxiously waiting for some answers. :smilewinkgrin:
     
    #101 Doubting Thomas, Aug 27, 2010
  2. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Matt, could have been a blanket overview answer & in individual dosen't know details

    Good Presidential comment though.....

    Here are a few more from a more modern President George....Matt the Queen makes an appearance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AioJbNL1JS8
     
    #102 Earth Wind and Fire, Aug 27, 2010
  3. Palatka51

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    If you know, please share but it is my assertion that as soon as the Church became the power of the State it lost all semblance of the Church Christ died for. He died for the Kingdom that will be built in our hearts not an earthly kingdom. When the Bishops were set up by the confessed sun worshiper, Constantine, they would then and there been rendered apostate.
     
    #103 Palatka51, Aug 30, 2010
  4. Matt Black

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    I think that Constantine is a bit of a red herring. The Church no doubt changed in character as a result of the 4th century Establishment, becoming more wealthy and generally more 'worldly' but nothing much changed in doctrine and practice that hadn't already changed previously and wouldn't change subsequently. For me, the real watershed is the estrangement between East and West, culminating in the events of the Great Schism of 1054 (although the two halves of the Church had been drifting apart prior to that for some time). Shorn of the balancing Eastern Patriarchs, the Patriarch of Rome became much more of an ecclesiastical despot and there was a marked deterioration of both doctrine and practice, with an over-development of sacramentalism and Purgatory characterising the former and the likes of the Inquisition and sale of indulgences the latter.
     
    #104 Matt Black, Aug 31, 2010
  5. Earth Wind and Fire

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    #105 Earth Wind and Fire, Aug 31, 2010
  6. Thinkingstuff

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    I didn't expect the spanish inquisition! No one expects the spanish inquisition! Monty Python funny stuff. Especially since one of the inquisitors is called Biggles which if you're not English you might have a hard time placing the name.
     
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  7. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Matt Black can sort that out for us, if he cares to. Otherwise I will have to stick to Borscht Belt Humor....Oye Vey!
     
    #107 Earth Wind and Fire, Aug 31, 2010
  8. Matt Black

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    The actual intro line is, "I didn't expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition."
     
    #108 Matt Black, Aug 31, 2010
  9. Thinkingstuff

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    Ok you got me there. Do you want to explain Biggles?
     
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  10. Matt Black

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    Biggles was a character created by Captain W E Johns in various novels lauding the exploits of this fictional British airman and his friends Algy and Ginger; the novels were compulsory reading for Brit boys of a certain generation and class (including me), are marvellously non-PC (all Mediterranean types, especially Arabs, are untrustworthy; Africans are childlike and stupid) and great fun to read.
     
    #110 Matt Black, Aug 31, 2010
  11. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Does that include Italians, Spaniards & Greeks?
     
    #111 Earth Wind and Fire, Aug 31, 2010
  12. Thinkingstuff

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    Speaking of treating Africans poorly what are those dolls called again that are totally not PC? I had a girlfriend while in the UK who was a big fan of those.
     
    #112 Thinkingstuff, Aug 31, 2010
  13. Matt Black

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    Golliwogs. They were also in the original version of Noddy.
     
    #113 Matt Black, Aug 31, 2010
  14. Matt Black

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    IIRC Johns never wrote about the Spanish. We were at war with the Italians so they were generally Bad Eggs although lumped in with the Germans as essentially European and therefore People Like Us, albeit on the wrong side. The Greeks were more suspicious as being quasi-oriental but it was really the people from the southern shore that Johns disliked ie: the Muzzies. But his greatest wrath was reserved for those who were 'miscegenated', whom he disparagingly referred to as 'half-breeds'; I remember that there was a particularly odious reference to a half-Greek, half-Egyptian baddie based in Cairo whom Johns described (in so many words) as "an unhappy product of two Eastern races which brought out the worst in both of them".
     
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  15. Thinkingstuff

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    Yep thats it. What ever happened to the empire they never took anything from any body no matter how it sounded. Now there almost as bad as the danes.
     
    #115 Thinkingstuff, Aug 31, 2010
  16. Jon-Marc

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    I don't believe it is Christianity that has gone wrong, but that it is mankind that has always been wrong since the Fall. Christ started His church and never called it by a denominational name. That was man's idea, because man thinks he knows better than God.

    Christ started the true Christian church (no denomination) and expected believers to adhere to the Christian beliefs that He instituted. Unfortunately man in his own "wisdom" said, "What the Bible says can't be true nor all of the truth. I know there is more." Then man proceeded to change God's word into what he wanted it to say--thus, dozens of translations, versions, and perversions of the holy scriptures. Of course, there had to be more and more denominations that reflected what man chose to believe--regardless of what God said.

    I'm not aware that the Catholic religion was ever correct in their theology and teachings. They persecuted and even killed Christians, and to this day they believe that THEY are Christians. Many other false religions claim to be Christian while denying the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, the Trinity, and adding to and taking from the scriptures.
     
    #116 Jon-Marc, Sep 1, 2010
  17. lori4dogs

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    As a matter of fact, Jon-Marc, I am a Christian and I am Catholic. And for the record, Protestants persecuted and killed Protestant Christians as well as Catholic Christians.
     
    #117 lori4dogs, Sep 1, 2010
  18. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Yes but do you say Minister instead of Pastor....or for that matter Fromage or Cheese? Plus, if you killed a Frenchman (Protestant or Catholic) you would score 3 whole points. Thus was the history of Europe.

    Oh I say Carouthers! Mint Mate.
     
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  19. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Vat 2.....thats an interesting time to consider. Popa John truly did his best to accomplish reformation. If he could have he would have gone much farther before the Mafia snuffed him out. Think that was either Carlo Gambino or Joe Bonnano. Anyway the name had a vowel at the end of it. :wavey:

    Lesson's learned......1 nobody likes folk Masses & (2)Nun's in mini skirts.....please
     
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  20. Matt Black

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    Have you ever met a nun? Trust me, with a couple of notable exceptions, you wouldn't want to see them in mini-skirts; less is definitely more!
     
    #120 Matt Black, Sep 2, 2010
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