When did my Mormon friend become unsaved?

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  1. Caissie

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    I have a friend that was a hard core Baptist. She really loved the Lord and just wanted to know the truth about him. One day, some Mormons came knocking on her door. Please tell me the day she became unsaved.

    Day 1. She let them in
    Day 2. She read the "Mormon Bible"
    Day 3. She thought the "Mormon Bible" was correct and that Jesus came to the Americas right after his resurrection
    Day 4. She visited their church
    Day 5. She decided to become a member
    Day 6. They tell her that God raised John the Baptist up from the grave to baptize J. Smith and she accepts that.
    Day 7. She was baptized
    Day 8. They tell her there is no "Trinity" and she accepts it.
    Day 9. They tell her that God has a body, and she accepts it.
    Day 10. They tell her that God came down in his physical form and had sex with Mary to get her pregnant, and she accepts it.
    Day 11. They tell her another Mormon Doctrine, and she accepts that. (Please tell me which doctrine she accepted to be unsaved).
     
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    Rather than wonderng if your friend became "unsaved" (a theological impossiblity when one understands salvation properly), you should ask if she ever was saved. Sounds to me like she should have been a "hard-core Christian". It's easy to repeat a 1-2-3 pray after me prayer, it is a completely different thing to be drawn of the Spirit and accept Christ. Sounds to me like your friend never knew Christ or she would not be in the Mormon Church today.
     
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    None of the above. If she is one of the Sheep of the Lord Jesus, the Lord Jesus will bring her out of the spiritual pig sty of the Mormon Church. If she abides there, she never was one of His sheep.
     
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    gopchad is right, the Bible never talks about "becoming unsaved" only becoming saved. She could be saved but was never discipled correctly and now has been bamboozled into a cult. The Lord can bring her out if she belongs to Him. Now if she had sat under good preaching/teaching of the Word and has turned to mormonism, then it is quite possible that she was never saved in the first place.

    God Bless!
     
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    If she just happened to have been saved, she is certainly going to be in for a very rude shock when she dies and hears the truth.

    But, she will also be one lucky person who gets in by the skin of her teeth.
     
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    If this is the case, how can anyone be sure of their salvation?
     
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    If this is the case, how can anyone be sure of their salvation? </font>[/QUOTE]By the fruits of their faith.

    Speaking with persons of other beliefs, even reading their literature, isn't an act of rejection of faith in Christ. Rejecting faith in Christ comes when (I would insert here that OSAS is not a feature of my own orthodoxy) we insist that other things besides believing that Jesus died for our sins and raised Him from the dead are neccessary to begin the faith journey.

    We react to Christ's love by loving God. In loving God, beliefs and acts grow which produce salvation. Needing to "know we are saved" is almost a rejection of God's love, since it can pull our central focus from God and back to self.

    Mormons are not the only group which does this; in fact, one could argue that certain sect which are widely accepted as Christian fall into this error as well.
     
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    What if someone does produce good fruit all their lives in the name of Christ... but then at some time later falls away and they are no longer believing in Christ? What will God say to him on the day of Judgement, "Well, done good and faithful servent"? Or does he go to Hell?
     
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    Caissie

    The question here seems to be hypothetical.

    Hypothetically speaking anything can happen.

    But, speaking about the "here and now":
    Do you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
    Have you accepted His payment for your sin upon the Cross by His Blood?

    I know that you say you are "baptistic", but many Baptists do not know Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
     
  11. Caissie

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    I was actually referring to a friend who was a hard core baptist, that did end up going over to the Mormon church.

    Yes, I have accepted His payment for my sins.
     
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    Cassie,

    Forgive me for getting that clear. But, now is the time to ask about your salvation.

    I cannot believe that anyone having tasted the True Gospel could be deceived. However, should she have recanted the Truth, her soul is in peril.

    And to be deceived by the evil one into Smith's heresy is scary.
     
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    As someone who's daughter has gone over to the Mormons after years of Baptist church attendance and Sunday school, I take some comfort in Paul's words to the Galatians.

    "You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you?"

    Even the early church, with apostles to guide them, were able swerve aside to false teachings.

    Paul still seems to have considered them believers, misled thought they were.

    I'm not sure where you are getting your information about what they are teaching your friend though.

    The Mormons no longer teach that Mary had physical relations with God and deny that they ever did teach it.

    They have not taught this bizarre doctrine in many years.

    MR
     
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    Mormons are Baptist in wording and working, but Masonic in doctrine and "covenants." Wathcman is right, either she is saved, and will come out, or is not and it will show by her "fruits."


    Jesus IS God!
    Trust His Word Now!
     
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    She did not "become" unsaved. She was born lost, as we all are. There is none righteous, no not one.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Amen Joseph.

    My wife was a temple mormon. When I met her we debated for a while. I told her to read John and I prayed for her. THEN God SAVED her. She didn't "Get Saved" or pray a prayer. She said "The light just turned on!" .. Everything in John just leaped out at her and she knew she was completly wrong and she knew that God changed her. It's an amazing testimony.
     
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    It was said, "The Mormons no longer teach that Mary had physical relations with God and deny that they ever did teach it.", and that is somewhat true. This is not an official teaching of the LDS church that you will find in their books, or presented during the home visits...but it is a teaching that many still hold to.
    It is a little like the Adam-God doctrine of Brigham Young, they prefer to treat it (to borrow a phrase from Ross Perot) like that crazy uncle you keep down in the basement...you know he's there but you rather not see him (don't you miss his wit and wisdom? OK, maybe not!).

    The teaching on Mary's relations with "Elohim" is just the start of where the LDS church strays though...they believe that God is an exalted man, they believe that Jesus is "Yhwh" from the OT (as opposed to the Father, a seperate behing referred to as Elohim), they also still believe that Jesus is a spirit brother of Lucifer...and we are too, but as first born he has special significance to be the savior.
    Beyond this they teach that man is not born in sin, and that you must believe that Jesus is the Christ per their definition, believe that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God as is the current president of the church, and that the LDS church is the only "true" restored church on the faith of the earth. Their salvation comes through the church, the organization...not from Christ's redeeming death on the cross (which they don't believe took place either, they teach redemption took place in the Garden, and Jesus only had to die so that the resurrection could take place).

    I'm just touching on a few of the heresies that the LDS church teaches and believes in one way or another.
    So i have to stick with what appears to be the general thought...it is not possible to "lose salvation", and if someone has left an orthodox evangelical church to become mormon, this person may not have been saved to begin with.
     
  18. Bible-boy

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    Hello All,

    Here is good information from the only evangelical scholar conducting serious research into Mormon doctrine (that I am aware of):

    http://www.ontruth.com/ldsindex.htm

    I hope you will take time to read each of the links provided on his website. Here is a link to an article which deals specifically with the question of what Mormons teach about the birth of Christ and His mother Mary:

    The Truth about the Mormon teaching on the Virgin Mary


    Dr. Carrigan (the author of the ontruth.com website) works for the SBC North American Mission Board and teaches at SEBTS.

    Yours in Christ,

    Bible-boy
     
  19. bobbyd

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    I went through the first level of NAMB Interfaith training under Cky Carrigan a few years ago...he is VERY sharp. Although very little was new to me there, he did reffirm a lot of what i had learned through studying LDS works.
    If anyone ever has a chance to attend a workshop or service conducted by Dr Carrigan, i highly recommend it.

    bdd
     

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