HELLO ALL! This thread is a little bit of a continuation from "Bush vetoes stem cell research"; But more specifically when you believe life begins and you gain your soul. Some of the scriptures are the same as more than adequate I feel, whereas some versus are different. Please provide your opinion and/or scripture and hopefully vote. I was just a little surprised at a few Christian responses within that thread. Much dealt with the morality of using embryonic stem cells but also dealt with when life actually begins. Some feeling human life only begins at some point after conception or Bible silent, while some seemingly giving real value to life after actual birth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe Life begins at Conception in addition to your Soul. This based upon what I feel the Bible most assuredly says. With no conception you have no life. With conception you have life! (If you like, go here for pictures of human developement and explanations, or google) http://www.wprc.org/trimester1.phtml God gives great reverence for life upon conception, and throughout the entire pregnancy! It is arguable there is more celebration for conception then birth itself, or at least equally celebrated. Such can be seen throughout the Bible with women who were finally able to conceive who were unable to beforehand. 1Sam1 is the story of Hannah who could not conceive and suffered much and great humiliation for it. She fervently prayed to God as “the Lord had closed her womb”. Until the Lord blessed her from prayer and she “conceived and bore a son, and called his name Samuel". See also Gen. 29:31-30:24, Gen.20:17-18 etc. The Lord has great reverence for those within the womb and are referred to as "children", "babe", "son", "fruit of womb", and "Lord" as with Jesus, etc. At the time the Angel tells Mary she will soon conceive Jesus; She is also told that Elizabeth, her relative, is "6 months" pregnant with a "son". Emphasis added. Luke 1:36-37 "Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. For with God nothing will be impossible." The Lord refers to the child within the womb as a "son". God gives great reverence to the unborn as shown here at six months. It is not referred to as fetus or thing. BUT WAIT: Great reverence for the child is given even before that and to 5 months. Luke 1:24 "Now after those days his wife Elizabeth conceived; and she hid herself five months, saying "Thus the Lord has dealt with me, in the days when He looked on me, to take away my reproach among people" Elizabeth is giving great thanks to the Lord for the child she bears. Whom the Lord had promised them and for removing her shame. As felt by women who were "barren". Luke 1:13 “...Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. And you will have joy and gladness....He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb". AGAIN WAIT: When Mary went to visit Elizabeth, Mary would have only been a few weeks pregnant! Elizabeth, 6 months or so, shows great reverence for the life within Mary. For good reason of course! Luke 1:41-44 "And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy." These are two very happy women and as seen with Mary's song. Mary would have only been a few weeks pregnant upon her arrival at Elizabeth’s. Because Elizabeth was already 6 months pregnant before Mary had even experienced divine conception. Mary stayed with Elizabeth for 3 months before leaving just before Elizabeth gave birth. Mary now being three months pregnant or so herself. Luke 1:56-57 "And Mary remained with her about three months, and returned to her house. Now Elizabeth’s full time came for her to be delivered, and she brought forth a son”. --------------- ---------------- ---------------------- Luke 1:18-21 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit...."Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit”. Luke 2:7 “And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn…(2:14) “Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!” Luke 2:21 “And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.” It would seem you are who you are at conception! Not some point after conception as in a few weeks, 3 months, 5 months, 6 months or actual birth. Exodus 21:22-24 “If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye..” Psalm 127:3-5 “Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, So are the children of one’s youth. Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them;” Isaiah 44:24 “Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things.” 1tim. 6:13 “I urge you in the sight of god who gives life to all things”. :wavey: Please remember to vote if you like.