When Faith counts for righteousness

Hi there.
Galatians 3 talks about "the Gospel" (3:8) in Abraham's day. If you consider 1:8,9, I believe this is the very Gospel we must believe to be justified (Romans 5:1).

Hope this helps. Thanks for the thought.

 

Perhaps this is oversimplifying it but there will be no rebels in Heaven.

And though yes you are justified you must also be sanctified.

But even then you are not justified if you in heart have not turned away from sin. Because if you were then God would not only be forgiver of sin but also He would be justifier of SIN.... the idea isnt to justifiy SIN...

Gal:2:17: But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.



Now just stop and read and think about this.... paying particular attention to verses 17 and 18... you dont want to rebuild again that which you destroyed.

Galatians 2:
16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17: But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18: For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19: For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20: I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

What too many seem to be missing is that we are supposed to DIE to sin... and the FAITH we have is supposed to be THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD.... NOTICE THAT!! (verse 20)

Jesus lives in you now.... His faith was the faith that He used to overcome sin. This faith now becomes yours, you are dead, He lives in you and by His faith you now overcome sin.

So are you living by faith? yes. are you living in sin? no.

If you are still living in sin then you are saying Christ is the minister of SIN. Which of course He is not.

Back to my first point. You've got to go to Heaven and there arent going to be a bunch of rebels there to start up the rebellion again. Look at the parable of the Wedding Garment. He checks to see if they have on the White Raiment... to see if they are FIT for Heaven... notice Jesus comes INTO US and we become overcomers? see the last two verses... the White Raiment is the Wedding Garment... church without spot or wrinkle.

Revelation 3:

15: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19: As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21: To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

DOETH DOETH DOETH righteousness: not just a false covering of "Christ's righteousness" and then continuing on in sin...

1Jn:2:29: If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1Jn:3:7: Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


Isaiah 30:
1: Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:
9: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD

God doesnt LIE.... He covers us but He also makes us BE righteous... doing righteousness as Jesus does

Claudia

 

Romans 4 is very enlightening concerning this subject.

Romans 4:1-6 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
--In all the works that Abraham did (look in Heb.11), leaving his country by faith, by faith believing God's promise of a son, offering his son Isaac and expecting God to raise him up again, and so on; if Abraham boasted of these works saying "See what I have done," then he could only boast in himself. His boasting would be selfish and not of God. It would be vain. It would not be glorifying to God. It would be "in the flesh," and the result would be "what would he had found?" The answer is nothing.

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
--Likewise, he could not glorify God. He would only be boasting of himself. It would all be to no avail. One is not justified by works. That is the emphasis here. One cannot be justified by works.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
--But the Scripture says that Abraham believed God. This was before the works took place. He was a believer and therefore did good works, not the other way around. Thus his faith in God was counted unto him for righteousness. He was saved by faith. God gave him the righteousness of Jesus Christ because of his faith in the true God of the Bible, in as much revelation as God had revealed unto him.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
--Salvation is by grace not of works. If it is of works it is not reckoned of grace but of debt. Paul uses a working illustration to teach that doctrine. When a man works he earns his wages. It is a debt that his employer owes him. He doesn't pay him out of grace (free unmerited favor). He pays him because of a debt--he owes the money because of the hours of labor that was put in by the laborer. It is debt not grace. Salvation is free. It is by grace.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
--"To him that worketh not" Salvation is not of works--not in the OT, with Abraham, and not in the NT. Salvation is all of grace. Jesus saves! Not man. Man has nothing to do with salvation. He only believes in what Christ has done on the cross. It was of grace that Christ died for our sins. It is by faith that we accept this wonderful gift of salvation that he has provided for us. Salvation is by grace through faith. There are no works involved.
to him that worketh not but believeth on him that justivieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteous.
It couldn't be any plainer. There are no works in salvation.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

--David emphasize the same thing. Blessed is the man whom God imputes righteousness without works. Salvation is by grace without works.

 

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

God had different ways of speaking to his people in the Old Testament.

Genesis 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

It seems that the Lord spoke directly to Abraham, possibly in an audible voice. Thus the revelation that Abraham received from the Lord was possibly greater than we think. "Abraham departed as the Lord had spoken unto him." I believe that his obedience is based on his belief in God. That is what Hebrews 11:8 teaches--"By faith...he went out." He had already believed.

Stephen sheds more light on this:
Acts 7:2-4 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,
3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
3 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

Stephen states that God appeared to Abram when he was still in Mesopotamia, that is Ur of the Chaldees. When his father died in Haran, he was told again to get out from his family and go the land which God would show him. Abraham was a believer way back in Ur, before any of these works took place. God had spoken to him then.

 

DHK, I agree that perhaps God revealed more to Abraham than the Genesis account specifies. Jesus said in John 8:56 that "Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it, and was glad." So it's possible that Abraham knew the Gospel of Christ long before anyone else did.

Michael

 

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For all of time (it was created) the focus has been upon the cross. We see the cross as if it is a point in time, but I believe that God views the Cross as the 'pinacle' of His Creation. I do not know why God would want to come to this earth and not have a 'Hilton' pillow for His head, but He did. I do not know why He chose to not have a shower after a long hot day on the road, but He did.

I think that God's focus is not upon 'how' God saved people, but I do think that His focus is upon 'what' He gave up as a sacrifice for His people (the Church).

Guero . . .