When is a person SAVED?

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    Seems to be great confusion and attempted hijacking of other threads about this issue.

    Try to make it short and clear, then more detailed as questions arise.
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Romans 10:9 (nKJV):
    that if you confess with your
    mouth the Lord Jesus and believe
    in your heart that God has raised
    Him from the dead, you will be saved
    .

    I'm just as saved now (Dec 2003)
    as i was 51 years ago back in Apr 1952
    when i first confessed Jesus as my Lord
    and He became my Savior. I'm just as
    saved now as i will be when
    I die, when i get resurrected, or when
    i get raptured.

    When Jesus first saved me he didn't
    just save me for a bit, but forever [​IMG]
     
  3. russell55

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    Being saved is a process that is not completed until we are glorified. Once the process starts, however, its completion is certain, because what God starts He finishes.
     
  4. Daniel David

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    A person is saved when Christ is the savior and lord - justification

    A person who is justified will continue in the faith and will be saved - sanctification

    A person who is justified and sanctified will also become finally saved in its fullest meaning - glorification.

    There is so much confusion on the cheap grace, errggggh, free grace side of the debate. Salvation is cheapened to some "prayer" that the person might or might not have meant.
     
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    Salvation is complete and instantaneous at the moment a sinner believes in faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Sanctification is an ongoing process, working toward but reaching completion until the believer is called home (at death or the rapture).

    Glorification is the forthcoming event for all believers, where we will be like Him in body and spirit.

    You can throw in a lot of other terms (justification, redemption, imputation, etc.), but the state of "saved" happens at the moment of belief through faith.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  6. HankD

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    Ephesians 1
    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    1 Peter 1
    18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
    19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

    It has been a done deal from "before" the foundation of the world.
    In our present limited ability of perception and the inadequacy of human language we will debate these issues until we are glorified beings, then we will be like Him and understand.

    Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
     
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    Amen Russell55 -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
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    Like Brother HankD said, the eternal salvation of God's past, present, and future people is a done deal. Settled in eternity past, with the blood of the Lamb of Glory slain from the foundation of the world.

    That is why none of God's elect will ever perish.

    Now, from a timely perspective, as Peter said, this salvation was manifested to all of God's people thru the cross. So we have Old Testament saints looking forward to the cross, and New Testament and present day saints looking back to the cross.

    And Paul, speaking from a timely perspective, correctly states that we are all enemies of God, until Christ effected the reconciliation on the cross.

    Every child of God born of a woman is under the law, until Christ, made of a woman, made under the law, fulfilled all the law, and redeemed them that were under the law, that their adoption may be made final (Gal. 4:4-5).
     
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    Daniel David,

    God's grace is not "cheap", it is free. The Gospel I find in the Bible is a free gift of God, a one way transaction. It is not a 'quit pro quo' You give me something I will give you something in return.

    Romans 11:5-6(NIV)
    "5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace."

    As the scriptures say, if it is by works then as the scriptures say "grace would no longer be grace".

    Romans 4:4-5(NIV)
    "4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness."

    If my works have anything to do with my salvation then my salvation is not credited as a gift, "but as an obligation".

    Romans 4:6(NIV)
    "David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:"

    The last time I checked my Bible "God credits righteousness apart from works".

    Yes we are commanded to live holy and righteous lives - on this we agree. But this is so that we may experiance the joy of our salvation and rewards in heaven.

    And it is not "optional" as you accuse us of teaching, and sometimes God will punish us for our disobedience. But we can never loose our eternal salvation because of that disobedience, other wise our works would have something to do with our salvation. Which clearly the scriptures teach is not the case.

    Romans 3:23-24(NIV)
    "23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."

    The grace that God has given me is not a "cheap grace" , but a free one. Have you been "justified freely" or do you need to does God ask you to give him something for your justifaction? Is your salvation a gift exchange? I know mine is not.

    IFBReformer
     
  11. Daniel David

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    No, wrong. The salvation process begins at the same time as saving faith. That salvation is guaranteed to occur and God will bring it to fruition. Salvation is much more than justification.

    If you still sin, you are not saved in its fullest sense yet.
     
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    I agree with you about everything but the guarantee. It is a conditional guarantee, guaranteed only if you don't apostatize.

    In the love of Christ,
    Tim
     
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    The Holy Spirit is given as our guarantee. Last I checked, God will never foreclose on you, and you have the riches of Christ that you will never be bankrupt. Praise the Lord.
     
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    The final process of being saved could be said, it is about clothing and a book.

    1)The clothing: Gal. 3:27 "for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ"(see also Ro.6:3;13:14). "Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear."(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)(Rev.19:8; see also Rev.6:11;7:14).

    2)The Book: Dan.12:1b "But at that time your people-- everyone whose name is found written in the book-- will be delivered."(see also Phil.4:3; Rev.21:27;22:19). The consequences are not so good for those not in the book of life(Rev.13:8;20:15).

    So, your are saved when you are clothed in Christ, and when your name is written in the Lambs book of life.
     
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    Salvation is immediate and complete. You are either saved or not. Romans 8:8-9. It is not a process. Being transformed into the image of Christ is a process (Romans 8:28-30; cf Phil 1:6). But only those who are saved can be transformed. And all who are saved will be.

    Nor can it be walked away from, for the simple reason that once you are dead to sin, you are dead! When you are alive in Christ you are alive! Born again and adopted into the family of God, there is no being unborn -- no exchanging the new heart for the old, dead one.

    We can earn and/or lose our crowns, or rewards; but we cannot lose heaven itself.
     
  16. Daniel David

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    Helen, sanctification is also spoken of as salvation. So is glorification.

    Salvation isn't just justification.

    A justified person will be sanctified (being saved) and glorified (ultimately saved).
     
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    When is a person saved?

    The moment a person believes and trust in Jesus for the surety of everlasting life. [John 3:16 & Acts 2:21]

    Ed Edwards expression on page one is an adequate explanation of how God works in His people. Other posts were good also.
     
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    Amen, Ed and Helen!
     
  19. Ed Edwards

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    Look real close at WHO OWNS your SALVATION.
    You will find in the Bible GOD OWNS
    YOUR SALVATION. IT ain't gonna get lost,
    stolen, lost, dropped -- eternal salvation
    last forever.

    John 3:16 (nKJV):
    For God so loved the world that He gave
    His only begotten Son, that whoever
    believes in Him should not perish but
    have everlasting life.

    Everlasting life is eternal. [​IMG]
     
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    "...Even the demons believe and tremble..."

    Salvation is more then belief
     

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