When is Enough, Enough...

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  1. PastorSBC1303

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    When Honoring the dead???

    I was just flipping through my copy of the "Liberty Journal" Jan/Feb 2008, when I came upon a full page article on the Fallwell Burial Garden nears completion (p. 6).

    There is full page color picture of this garden with the following caption:

    "Construction of the Rev. Jerry Falwell's burial garden entered its final stages in late November. Falwell, the founder of LU and Thomas Road Baptist Church, died May 15 at the age of 73. He is buried on the lawn of the former Carter Glass mansion where his office was located at the time of his death. When completed, the burial garden will contain an eternal flame, a fountain, and sidewalks leading to Falwell's grave."

    Now this is in no way to be disrespectful to Rev. Falwell and all he accomplished for Christianity in his lifetime, but when is it too much in honoring the dead?
     
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    You gotta know where the money is and how to get it. I love ole LU (I am an alum afterall) and must say that they are notorious for wearing out certain things in their media and programming.

    You think this is bad, wait for a few of the remaining leaders of the SBC takeover to pass on or other prominent evangelicals. That's all you'll hear.
     
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    I am sure. This is in no way just a problem at Liberty, it was just the article that brought it to mind. I just think it is such a waste to put so much money and energy into honoring the dead in such ways.
     
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    When is Enough, Enough...

    When it's enough, I suppose. Or ask Popeye, and he would say "Enough is too much."

    But true, a lot of resources are wasted in 'honoring' the dead. We don't need burial gardens, fountains, huge memorials or days of sloth [a.k.a. holidays] to remember the death of the croakee.
     
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    I say we need to go back to the days where you hewed out a tomb in the rocks and placed the corpse. No disrespect meant. :thumbs:
     
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    ==That is a tough question and one for which there is no one answer that applies in all situations. Personally I think Liberty and Thomas Road have handled the passing of Dr. Falwell very well. They are keeping his memory alive and pushing forward with the dream the Lord gave him. Have they reached the point of "too much" in the sense of talking about Dr. Falwell's passing? I don't know, I suppose it depends on how each person views it. Personally I am big on memorials and things like that. Some say I go overboard with those type things. Even though it would be hard for me to practice, I think TCGreek has a good idea.
     
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    For Pete's sakes, the Apostle Paul wasn't even given such a tribute...and mostly likely he wouldn't have wanted one. This glorification of dead believers follows the world's devices and is such a shame. Would Falwell have really wanted all this?
     
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    Another way to look at this is Scripture tells us to show honor to whom honor is due. Jerry Falwell was a pioneer in the '80's in getting America to stand up and notice the moral decline in our country. I'm sure many have come to know the Lord due to his ministry, so I don't see a problem with memorials, etc.
     
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    I do not have a problem with memorials and giving honor to whom honor is due. And no doubt Falwell deserves honor. Again, this has nothing to specifically do with Falwell and LU. It just happened to bring it to my mind as I have contemplated this over the years.

    My issue is at some point enough is enough. From my perspective at some point (and I am not saying I know when that point is) it becomes more about pride and promoting self (institution, church, etc) than it does about giving true honor and advancing the gospel.
     
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    The sidewalks are too much; grass works.

    I honor his service for God,
    and the good model was (well, except for
    his weight showed an illness or lack of control)
    for God. Now that he is dead his shell ain't
    worth much.
     
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    I am not sure I have the answer, however sometime that came to light recently when a friend of ours pasted away. We have a Jewish friend that was Amy's closest friend. After she passed away, he told everyone that it was difficult for him to know Amy was gone, but that according to Jewish custom, his morning of her would only last 30 days. He did mention a quote from the Bible, which was were this custom started he believed, but I can't remember the verse now.

    I will have to ask him for that verse again, maybe it is written down, and yet we have overlooked it?

    Edit:

    Ok I have looked up Moses and found this passage. Deuteronomy 34: 5-8

    5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

    Does it suggest that a period of 30 days is the proper mourning period?

    Jamie
     
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    Along the same lines, I mentioned to Ron the other night that same thing about Skip Prosser. A fan-type memorial service was done at one of the early BB games. A flag was hung in his honor.

    Wake has an "opening credits" of sorts - I don't know if you've been to one of Wake's BB games -- very showy opening. I had to wonder if Skip would be so visible all season. Most likely it will be, but it was ostentacious enough for me to comment on. The new coach worked with him for years, but at some point, you move forward.

    Not in anyway meaning to sound cold hearted, or to compare a college bb coach to the work of Dr. Falwell.
     
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    Jesus had to use a borrowed tomb. Eternal flame? C'mon, this is a man, and a controversial one at that. Of course, the Baptist equivalent to canonization and deification will continue as Falwell's money machine continues to operate.
     
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    Yeah, cancel this 'eteranl flame' and JFK's too, based on what you say, and I agree with.
     
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    HA! this is nothing compared to Bob Jones.
     
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    Maybe they are using it as a tool to hold their organization together while it rebounds from the sudden death of Dr. Falwell. I can see where it would be serving its purpose in that way, giving the University time to adjust.

    BBob,
     
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    Skip the ceremony and put me in a pine box in a hole in the ground somewhere.

    Then send the rest of the money for the fancy gravestone, flowers, etc. to missions!
     
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    Mark 14:4-5
    And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made? For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.
     
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    Unfortunately I don't think so Pete, remember the Irwin thing, the Packer do, and the ire rased by the Chaser boys when they poked fun at the way everyone who dies is an instant candidate for saithood? (ok I know they have nothing to do with the church, but the way of thinking is there.)

    Regards
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