When Was Adam Saved

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  1. Rex77

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    When was Adam saved or declared righteous?

    Abraham was declared righteous when he believed God.

    But with Adam we have not as clear a statement.

    Was it when he accepted the animal skins from God and obeyed and wore them,which required the shedding of blood, a type of future sacrifices which covered sins?

    Any thoughts?
     
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    First, the very question implies a literal reading of Genesis, with the assumption that there was an individual named Adam. Instead we may understand "Adam" to mean "humankind", and the story becomes not the account of an individual's life, but a metaphor for the entire human condition.

    However, even if we do read the story in its most literal way, what leads us to assume that there had to be "salvation" as we understand it? Is there anything in Scripture to point to that? I believe it is silent.

    And then finally, it would be an anachronism to look for evidences of animal sacrifice. That was not introduced until later -- again assuming that the apparent chronology is to be read literally.
     
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    Joseph M. Smith quote
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    First, the very question implies a literal reading of Genesis, with the assumption that there was an individual named Adam. Instead we may understand "Adam" to mean "humankind", and the story becomes not the account of an individual's life, but a metaphor for the entire human condition.
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    Adam was one man

    Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Then Abel's offering was acceptable

    Ge 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
     
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    It is both.
     
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    Adam was saved when God clothed him in skins, showing the shed blood and a covering by God.
     
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    Since Scripture is silent, I assume he was saved the same way Abraham, you and I were. Faith.
     
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    animal blood never saved anyone just stayed their sins from year to year. Only blood that saved man was Jesus Christ's blood.

    I don't know if the original Adam was saved or not. We are multiplied Adam.
     
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    I believe in OSAS, and therefore Adam never lost his salvation.
    He was saved the day that God created him. :)
     
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    Never heard that one DHK;
    Adam never was lost, but cause the whole world to be lost? Children are saved when infant, but they become lost.:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Before sin Adam wasn't saved because to be saved means saved from something. He had nothing to be saved from before the fall.
     
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    Hey, if God Himself covers someone with skins, who are we to say it wasn't good enough? We'd be better off to be concerned about our friends and loved ones who aren't saved than to be second guessing about God and Adam, IMO.
     
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    It is a matter of using the correct terminology.
    When Adam was "born," i.e. created, he was born directly into God's family. In fact God walked with him in the cool of the evening, and both Adam and Eve could hear God and converse with Him in an audible voice. They were definitely "in the family of God." The only way that we can do that is to be "born again." Adam was created directly into it.

    Adam did not lose his "salvation;" he lost his status of fellowship with God. That fellowship was restored when God sacrificed an animal for them, and covered them with skins.
    Consider 1John 1:7

    1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Concerning salvation it is the blood that covers our sin. But 1 John 1:7 is not speaking of salvation, it is speaking of fellowship. We have fellowship on the basis of the blood of Christ.
    The shed blood of Christ was the basis of restoring fellowship, not salvation.
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    DHK quote
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    Adam did not lose his "salvation;" he lost his status of fellowship with God. That fellowship was restored when God sacrificed an animal for them, and covered them with skins.
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    Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Adam's spirit died because his body did not, nor his soul, as he was still walking and talking.

    So his spirit had to made alive again .to have real fellowship with God.

    Same as Paul was.

    Ro 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

    So Paul had to be born again.

    So when was Adam made alive again.
     
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    At first I thought you were joking, who said Adam was born directly into Gods family? You have a scripture for this?

    Adam was created without Sin. That is how he walked with God.

    Notice the verse says the blood of Jeses, not animals or sheep. Jesus!

    Correct, animal blood covers, Jesus blood cleanses.

    Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

    Only the blood of Jesus will suffice...
     
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    Perhaps a proper definition of death is needed.
    Death is separation.
    Phyiscal death is when the soul is separated from the body. (James 2:26)
    Spiritual death is when the spirit is separted from God. (Eph.2:1)
    Eternal death is when the spirit is separated from God for all eternity. (Rom.6:23)

    Death is separation.

    Adam died spiritually. He was separated from God, becasue of sin. But he didn't die eternally. He didn't lose his salvation. Death is separation. Adalm died (was separated from God) spiritually, not eternally.
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    LeBuick quote
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    At first I thought you were joking, who said Adam was born directly into Gods family? You have a scripture for this?
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    Lu 3:38 Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.
     
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    Interesting read.

    When describing the old ways
    I am unsure of Adam but the Lord was unhappy with the offering Cain brought to him. Whereas he was happy with the offering of Abel. The Bible does not say in Gen. that it was a blood offering but I think it strongly was. What would God do with live wandering sheep? In addition to the support of Heb. 10 with a blood sacrafice for the times before Christ.




     
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    VBS, most likely.
     
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    Since Adam sinned, I think he needed salvation. And the Bible says all men have sinned, so that includes him, especially since Romans 5 makes a pretty big deal of it :smilewinkgrin: .

    I also think that the animal coverings made for Adam and Eve by God represented a restoration of that fellowship and represented salvation. I don't think Adam really needed faith in God the way other men have needed it, because he had had such close fellowship with God, and had a different relationship with God than anyone (even possibly Eve, who was created after him) as DHK pointed out. So I think that is why God is silent on how the salvation came about.

    I'm not adamant about this, just theorizing.
     
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    So the Geneology is saying Adam was the Son of God before his fall? Is that what DHK is implying? Or does this have to do with who made him?
     

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