When Will the Temple Open in Heaven?

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  1. Mel Miller

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    Friends,

    "The Temple of the Tabernacle of Testimony was open(ed) in heaven".
    Rev.15:5. It was also "open(ed)" when the 7th Trumpet sounds that
    God's wrath had come and to announce the appointed time for three R's. One: The (kairos) appointed time to judge (Resurrect) the (saved) dead.
    Two: Appointed time to Reward prophets, saints and all who fear God. Three: Appointed time to destroy earth's destroyers (Retribution). Rev.11:18-19.

    Relative to the time for the three R's at the 7th Trumpet; relative to the 7 angels exiting the Temple to empty the 7 last Plagues and relative to the martyrs entering the Temple as of Rev.15:5, when does the Temple OPEN?

    Which comes first? Do the 7 angels exit the Temple before or after the
    martyrs sing their victory song of Moses? Why do 144,000 "Firstfruit unto God and the Lamb" join them to sing the song of the Lamb before the Temple OPENS? Rev.14:2-4; Rev.15:2-4. When is the Temple filled with "smoke of God's glory and power when no one can enter"? Rev.15:8.

    Must the 7th Plague empty in the air before the Saints enter the OPEN Temple and the 7th Trumpet sounds that "God's wrath has come" and with it the "appointed time" for the three "R's"?

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    When the Temple Opens in Heaven

    :wavey: Friends,

    Just by reading the English text, God’s Day of wrath includes the 6th and 7th Seals and 7th Trumpet. But does it include the seven Plagues? how can God’s wrath come before the 7th Trumpet since no one enters the open Temple until the last Plague empties in the air?! The Trumpets could telescope out of the 7th Seal and the Plagues could telescope out of the 7th Trumpet if the Martyrs could enter the Temple to learn that “God’s wrath has come” to avenge their blood prior to the FIRST Plague!! But they are confined "under the Altar" until the last one should be killed!!!

    Also, Beast-worshipers are still allowed to “repent” during the Plagues! The last Martyr must be killed and the Plagues must “exhaust God’s anger” (Greek text and New Jerusalem Bible) before anyone enters the Temple!! The Plagues are described after the Martyrs come out from under the Altar to show justification for having “exhausted God’s anger” and the appointed time has come to avenge their blood!!!

    The Martyrs enter the Temple and, with the 7th Seal just broken, witness the evidence in silence from within the Scroll just opened! The silent display ends with the 6th of 7 Trumpets having killed two billion people!! With the Temple “open” (11:19), the 7th Trumpet announces: “God’s wrath has come and the time appointed (kairos) to resurrect the dead and reward the saints and to destroy earth’s destroyers”!!! Rev.11:18.
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    Seven Angels Exit the Temple First

    Friends,

    From reading the Greek text the Plagues only “complete God’s anger” and allow the armies to gather to Armageddon prior to the signs of the Day of Wrath (Seal 6) which Jesus puts “in the days after history’s greatest of all tribulations”! “Chronos-Time ends; God’s mystery was finished in the days when Trump #7 is about to sound”; Rev.10:7; etelesthay!! But on the DAY of wrath, Seal 7 includes a PLAYBACK of 6 of the 7 Trumpets until, at the 7th Trumpet, “God’s wrath has come”!!!

    The 7 angels with 7 Plagues will have EXITED the Temple before the Martyrs and 144,000 Jews sing their songs; before anyone ENTERS the Temple. Martyrs remain a “short time under the Altar until the rest of their brothers are killed before God avenges their blood. But why does Rev.15 open with 7 Plagues having “finished God’s anger” before they (1) sing their song of victory and before they (2) can enter the Temple and (3) review the evidence against the wicked in the Court of Seal 7?

    Because no one enters the Temple while the 7th Vial Plague suspends in
    air until God's fierce anger is finished; telesthwsin; Aorist Subjunctive. So Rev.15 ends with the 7 Vials not yet emptied by the angels. Just as the 7th Seal opens the Scroll for review of the video display of events already recorded within; so the 7th Plague remains suspended while countless Martyrs and 144,000 Jews “redeemed from earth” anticipate what is about to happen as they stand before God and the Lamb in the Temple.

    The saints on earth really begin to understand the meaning of the Plagues in light of these songs. Just as the Angels EXIT the Temple before the Martyrs ENTER; so the countless witnesses stand first before God on a river/sea of fire at heaven's Great and Wonderful sign to learn that those seven last Plagues had "finished" God's righteous angers and “manifested” the justice of His deeds. Dan.7:9-10; Rev.15:1-4. The Aorist Indicative in verses 1 and 4 changes to an Aorist Subjunctive in Rev.15:8.

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    Two Scenarios follow the Open Temple

    Friends,

    The phrase that introduces the open Temple, “after these things, I saw and behold” (KJV; Rev.15:5; the best translation!), refers to more than just a chronological event with respect to the Martyrs and 144,000 Jews entering the Temple. It refers to two entirely different scenes, the first of which is a flashback to the seven angels who had already EXITED the Temple and emptied their Vials. This is indicated (1) by the fact that all Martyrs come out from under the Altar before they ENTER the Temple and (2) by the two aorist indicatives (vs.1,4) pointing to the Plagues having completed God’s anger because they had manifested His righteous deeds as being “just and holy” and (3) by the sudden switch to aorist (future) subjunctive in Rev.15:8 and (4) by the repetition of the phrase, "after these things, I saw, and behold" in Rev.7:9 for the second scenario.

    The 7 Plagues that finish God’s anger and righteous deeds are already past tense as of Rev.15:1-4 (etelesthay, #5055; ephanerothaysan, #5319). But the nature and effects of the Plagues are still anticipated and described (aorist subjunctive) to verify the justice of and validate the reason for God’s "great anger" (Rev.14:19) and imminent wrath. This evidence requires the Martyrs to ENTER the Temple after the last Plague suspends in the air and the “Hour of Reaping” (Rev.14:7,15-19) leads to the G & W Sign in Rev.15:1-4. After the last Vial Plague empties is when the Temple clears of the “smoke of God’s glory and power”. Rev.15:7-8.

    The Temple was OPEN during the Plagues but is filled with the smoke of God’s glory and power and men are still allowed to “repent” and gather to Armageddon and Jesus warns that He is “coming as a thief”! Rev.16:9-16. With the Last Plague suspended in the air, the Martyrs ENTER the Temple into the presence of both God and the Lamb!! For its Three-Act-Drama of Testimony and Praise of Rev.7:9-17; for the Court's Tribunal and Prayers of Rev.8:1-5 and for the Triumph and Portents of the Last Trump of Rev. 11:15-19 … with the Temple still OPEN (vs.19)!!!

    Seal #7 and Trump #7 follow the suspension of Plague #7 in the air! The 7th Seal’s Court of Judgment climaxes the Hour to Reap the wicked to the “Winepress of God’s great anger”!! But the full effects of the 7th Plague and 6th Seal await the 7th Seal and 7th Trumpet because, with the Last Trump, God’s wrath and the appointed time has come for the three R's!!!

    God’s cup of anger and wrath pours out full strength after the angel of the 7th Seal renders his Verdict by fire; after the 7th Trumpet’s first blast that God’s wrath has come; after the 7th Plague implodes from the air! If Seal Six is part of a 12-Hour Day of Wrath "after the great tribulation", then the 7th Trumpet’s wrath occurs on that very day!! The armies will have already gathered to the plains of Armageddon prior to the events of that DAY ... and prior to the Decree: "It is Done"!!! Rev.16:17.

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    Mel,

    That was a little convoluted. I realize you went through the same verses a couple of times in your study but maybe you could synopize your results. Here's what I see:

    1) Rev 15 is a preview of what will transpire on the earth. As such, it describes the temple purification (bowls of wrath taken out), the temple dedication (re: Moses tabernacle and Solomon's temple dedication both of which had the smoke so that the priest couldn't enter), and the remnant who survive the GT (like the 144,000) coming into the temple which represents the MK.

    2) The order would be Rev 15 preview -- Rev 16 the bowls -- Rev 16:18-21 are the conclusion of the all 3 7th judgments -- Rev 19 is Armageddon -- then you have our 3 R's.

    How does that fit your chronology?

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    When the Temple in Heaven Opens

    skypair writes:

    1) Rev 15 is a preview of what will transpire on the earth. As such, it describes the temple purification (bowls of wrath taken out), the temple dedication (re: Moses tabernacle and Solomon's temple dedication both of which had the smoke so that the priest couldn't enter), and the remnant who survive the GT (like the 144,000) coming into the temple which represents the MK.
    2) 2) The order would be Rev 15 preview -- Rev 16 the bowls -- Rev 16:18-21 are the conclusion of the all 3 7th judgments -- Rev 19 is Armageddon -- then you have our 3 R's.


    At first reading, the sequence of events in Rev.15 seems to be sequential and therefore a “preview of what will happen on earth”. The same is true In Dan.7:9-13 where we have a picture of God’s “great anger” just as that expressed in Rev.14:19 to Rev.15:1. His anger is so great that the Throne on which He sits is “ablaze with fire” before the Son of Man is crowned and given authority to “take the kingdoms of earth and destroy the Beast and 10 horns after he subdues three of them, changes times and laws and persecutes Saints for 3½ times”.

    Christ is made King in Dan.7:14 and Rev.11:15-17 “on one of the days” after the Beast persecutes the Saints for the same 42 months of Rev.13:5-7. Indeed, that’s why the description of God’s great anger (Rev.14:19-20 with armies reaped and their blood about to be trodden until it flows to the horses’ bridles) is immediately followed by the “great and wonderful sign to show that God’s great and wonderful deeds were finished by the Plagues because they had exhausted His anger” which is about to be ignited by events in the OPEN Temple in heaven. Rev.15:1.

    Daniel “keeps looking” until He sees the Ancient of Days sitting in judgment on the Beast. God's “great anger, while sitting on a blazing throne over a sea/river of fire” occurs before God actually sits in Judgment. The Books are Open in verses 9-10 and the Court sits in verse 22. But the order is not sequential by the verse structure just as it is not sequential by the chapters in Revelation. The Son of Man must be “presented to the Ancient of Days” by the Martyrs and the 144,000 singing their songs of Moses and the Lamb … before the Temple Opens in heaven (Rev.14:2-5; Rev.15:2-5); before the Temple opens for the actual review of the evidence from “the Books” (Seal 7 opens the Scroll to the inner review of six of the 7 Trumpet Judgments)! The Temple opens after the last Plague empties in the air but before His Coronation occurs and heaven announces that God’s wrath has come and with that wrath the 3 R”s: Resurrection of the Dead; Rewards to the Righteous and Retribution upon the wicked. Rev.11:18.

    "No one enters the temple until the last Plague empties in the air and the smoke of God's glory and power" clears from the Temple! "God's anger was exhausted in the seven last Plagues"!! Rev.15:1,8. Christ receives authority to take the Kingdoms of earth at the 7th Trumpet on the Day of Wrath; the Day of God’s Vengeance. Dan.7:14; Rev.11:15-18; 2 Thess.1:10.

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