When will Trib begin (q. 4 pre-tribs)

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  1. ktn4eg

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    This is NOT a thread to debate the validity or lack thereof of the pre-trib rapture!!

    My sincere question is simply this:

    Assuming pre-trib is correct, is there any absolutely, positively specific scripture that unquestionably states that the tribulation period begins the microsecond after the P-T rapture is over, OR, is it possible for "a period of time" to elapse prior to the beginning of the trib.?

    I have never seen this particular aspect addressed (maybe it has...I'm fairly new to the B B), hence my question.

    "IMO" s are OK as an answer, but scripture is BETTER!

    And, SOS (STAY on Subject), PLEASE! Do not SOS (STRAY off subject). Thank you.
     
  2. Archeryaddict

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    Jesus said no one but the Father knows the hour or the day so I think this is something that does not even have merit for discussion.
     
  3. ktn4eg

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    Glad for your input.

    This, I repeat, ISN'T a thread to prove/disprove any particular rapture viewpoint, just a simple question from a person wanting to know if such passage does exist.

    I've never found one that clearly states what my OP asked, but (as I'm sure many of my friends out in B B land will perhaps testify) I could be wrong.

    OK?
     
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    ktn4eg,

    The rapture happens before the trib, no question IMHO (Again we are not debating that point on this thread, right!). However, the seventieth week of Daniel begins with the signing of the treaty, not the rapture (Dan 9:27). They may be simultaneous, but we do not know for sure. There seem to be some hints that the trib starts pretty soon after the rapture, will respond in more detail later.
     
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    [post unrelated to topic]

    [ January 06, 2005, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    There is no clear scripute
    on this timing. It is possible a period
    of time exists between the two. Prior to
    300years ago that period could have beenmonths. (The last great battle of the
    Anglo-American War of 1812, the Battle
    of New Orleans, was fought after the peace
    treaties were signed but before news of
    the peace could reach the combants by
    slow boat.) Now news can travel around
    the world at the speed of light. I would
    think now only a few days could seperate
    the start of the Tribulation Lite after the Rapture Heavy! So the time lapse is possible.

    However, there will NOT be 3-1/2 years after
    the rapture before the REVELATION of the
    Antichrist, as some construe. :eek:

    Even so, Lord Jeus, come (AKA: Maranatha).
     
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    Amen, Brother
    DeafPosttrib -- Preach it!

    Of course, i mean something totally different
    by "apostasy" and "revealed of Antichrist"
    then does DPT. The Apostasy in
    2 THess 2:1-3 is better described in
    the King James Version as "the falling away",
    where the people of God fall away from
    this old world by the power of and for the
    Glory of Jesus, the Messiah, our Lord and
    Savior. (in 1 Thess 4 this is called
    in the Latin version the "raptos" from
    which we get "rapture" but it translated
    in the King James Version "caught up" where
    the people of GOd are caught up from
    this old world by the power of and for the
    Glory of Jesus, the Messiah, our Lord and
    Savior.

    The "revealing of the Antichrist" is when
    he makes himself known as
    a world leader shortly after the
    rapture, NOT when he makes himself known
    as God at the middle of the 70th week
    of Daniel.
     
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    DPT,

    Please respect OP request to not debate pre-trib vs. mid, post. He is asking pretribbers if we think that the trib begins right after the rapture.
     
  9. just-want-peace

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    I've always had the idea that the rapture would create such world-wide chaos, that it would throw open the door for THE anti-christ to move in with a minimum of opposition.

    Time frame? Wild guess &lt; one year, possibly only a couple of months, or even a few days??!!

    Nothing in scripture, to my knowledge, that even hints at a time frame for this; except occuring after the rapture!

    MARANATHA!!!
     
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    Here is my .02
    let me dust off my notes

    The Known Day and the Unknown Day
    Concerning the return of Jesus, the Bible presents a day we can't know and a day we can know. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 says the Jews will have to wait 1,260 days for the Lord to return. The 1,260 days begins when the Antichrist stands in the Temple and declares himself to be God (Matt. 24:15-21, 2 Thess. 2:4) This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven year Tribulation (Dan 9:27). The Antichrist has authority to rule for 42 months, which is 1,260 days (Rev. 13:4) and will be destroyed by Jesus at His second coming (Rev. 19:20, 2 Thess. 2:8). The known and unknown days must happen at different times, meaning they are two separate events.

    that is all I can contribute to this topic.
     
  11. richard n koustas

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    I ask a similar question :see here
    The bible is silent about this length of time. I believe that there will be a period of 40 year between the rapture and the beginning of the 7-year tribulation period. I don't think God is going to offer a second chance to those left behind. Just like the Israelites wandering the wilderness for 40 years -- until an entire generation died off. IMHO The tribulation period will start after the generation dies...that's why i pay no attention to people that try to make 666 match someone's name.
     
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    Interesting!

    Would appreciate any scriptural reference to verify this, or explanation of your conclusion!

    Thanks!
     
  13. rjprince

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    RNK,

    How do you get 40 years between Rapture and Trib? Have read a lot of escahtology for many years (35+) but have never seen this one before!
     
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    Richard
    That is only youre surmise that you cannot scripturally back up. It is More likeley that the Rapture will trigger the Antichrists rise to power as paul indicated in 2 Thess 2: 6. And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    also the Revelation is clear that People WILL be saved during the Tribulation.
     
  15. richard n koustas

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    the first thing i said in my post is "The bible is silent about this length of time. " Therefore I do not have any scriptural references to back me up.

    I also do not see any biblical justification for an instant Tribulaion. Nor do I see any biblical justification for God offering a second chance to those that reject His Son - we are not given a second chance when we die.

    If God allows the generation to pass after the rapture (like the Israelites in the wilderness), I think that the stage would be really set for the Anti-Christ. Keeping the analogy of the wilderness, at the end 40 years a very small remnant (2 people - Joshua and Caleb) entered the promise land. at the end of (my proposed 40 year period) there will be a small remnant of Jews - that realized they missed the boat. they will look at the one whom they have peirced. believe. then lead a global evangelistal movement, starting with the Jews and spreading out to everyone else. Then all the things come with the tribulation that we all agree on. BTW, the Bible is very clear that "People WILL be saved DURING the Tribulation."

    rjprince: I have not had studied escatology for 35+ years, so, maybe I'll have a different opinion by then ;)

    where is the spel cheacker on this thang?! :mad:
     
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    Well Richard I Definately agree that once dead you are either with God for All eternity or eternally seperated from God.

    that Is why I cannot express enough that today is the day of salvation because we are not promised anything further than the here and now.

    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
    Hebrews 9:27.
     
  17. Plain Old Bill

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    On the liter side. I have no support for this whatsoever but i would guess 11:15AM.
     

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