Hi to all , and I see that we will again debate , where did freewill began . To me , there are 2 groups that HAD Freewill . #1 , And the first created beings , were Angels , before there was sin in the Universe . #2 , Then Ezek 28:15 , sin was found in Lucifer and of course Isa 14:9-17 , and Lucifer and CHOSE , AND SIN began . #3 , Then 1/3 of angels also tried to leave and Jude 6 , reveals where they are now . #4 , And they only other 2 , that HAD Freewill were Adam and Eve , and sin entered the human race . You all have to make up your mind . In I Cor 2:14 , But the Natural man receiveth NOT THE THINGS of God and there is NONE that seeketh after God . Then in Eph 2:1 , syas that man is DEAD in Trespasses and Sins , so how can a dead man respond . I believe that one answer is those saved are the elect , from the foundation of the world , Eph 1:4 and also Eph 2:8 , what say you ??