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Where do babies go when they die?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by jbh28, Oct 26, 2010.

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  1. Winman

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    On the contrary, David himself who was a prophet speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit tells us where his son went.

    2 Sam 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

    David was saved and he knew it. He was a prophet. And he said he would go to his son.
     
  2. Dr. Bob

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    Now that is so rank I smell it in Wyoming.

    I am forgiven of my sins 100% by the work and will of God alone, not by me having to do "xyz" (add any work to your list).

    Not going to tolerate works salvation being falsely taught.

    (I was a sheep before I was formed in my mother's womb. I was a sheep before I could talk or walk. I was a sheep on March 16 1957 and was still a sheep on March 17, 1957 after I repented and believed. Always was a sheep. Always will be a sheep.

    With a GREAT shepherd Who actually atoned for my sin and by His Grace Alone saved me)
     
  3. Winman

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    Who said one word about works? Believeing on Jesus is not a work, the scriptures contrast believeing to works.

    Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    It is as plain as the nose on your face, the scriptures say "to him that worketh not, but believeth".

    You Calvinists just can't grasp that believeing on Jesus is not a work. It is a ceasing of all self effort and relying and depending on Jesus 100% to save you.

    If I am caught in a burning building on the sixth floor, I can try to climb down. That is self effort, that is works.

    But if I trust the firemen below who promise to catch me with their net, that is a ceasing of trying to save myself and depending on those firemen to save me.

    Yes, jumping is an act, but before you jump you must first believe the firemen can catch you. If you do not believe and doubt, you will not jump.

    And this is what the scriptures show. The scriptures say whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved, but it then shows you cannot possibly call on Jesus unless you first believe. That believeing is not a work.

    Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?


    The scriptures clearly show that believeing is not a work, but believeing will produce works.
     
  4. Cypress

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    Well said Winman!!!!! Belief in Jesus smells sweet down here in Alabama. Smelled good when I was cowboying in Wyoming too. The object of our belief is what seems most important.:wavey:
     
  5. Jim1999

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    And how does a corpse call? We are all dead in our sins. We are a spiritual corpse. Except the Holy Spirit do a work in us first, we haven't the capacity to believe.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Bob you may be a Christian now, but there is not a shred of truth in your reply. No you were not a sheep before you were in the womb, no you were not a sheep before you could walk or talk, and no you nor anyone is a sheep before they repent and come to faith. That type of theology is absolutely absent in the bible. In fact it is against the bible. I can't believe that any church would allow anyone with that type of error to have any position at all. Even this board should remove you as Administrator with that type of theology. There is simply no forgiveness without repentance towards God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Your statements contradict the words of the Lord.
    Salvation by grace through faith does not mean that we do nothing to get saved. It only means thta what we do doe snot save us, but rather it opens the door for us to be saved. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. We still have to come to a point where we accept the call of God on our lives for without our response there is no salvation.
     
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    No David doesn't tell us where the child went. David could have simply meant the grave. The passage is not clear enough to know. Nor does David say he will see the child again. Adding to the bible is what happens when someone wants to hold to a doctrine above truth.
     
  8. jbh28

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    Just a note, though I have the word "Calvinism" in the OP doesn't mean this is supposed to be about Calvinism... hint hint Winman ;)

    this is supposed to be about where babies go when they die. I was curious to see what people's thoughts on them were and looking at any connection with their beliefs in election... This wasn't mean to be about Calvinism.

    Anyway, carry on. :)
     
  9. jbh28

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    Obviously, the verse Winman quoted is the most popular verse for believing that babies go to heaven. Question for you Winman, what makes you believe that "I shall go to him" refers to heaven and not to the grave?
     
  10. percho

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    Whether one is one day, one year, ten years or one hundred years old, is your inheritance that which God gives you? Is your inheritance from God the gift of God? What is the gift of God? If I understand it correctly it is an inheritance that we share with Jesus the Christ.

    Here is a gift from God but is it our inheritance. The holy Spirit of promise.
    Eph. 1:13,14 ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until By the way Jesus also had to receive this from the Father before he gave it to us.
    Rom. 8:15,17,23 ye have received the Spirit of adoption,(which makes us) then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; (heirs nor inheritors) waiting for the adoption,
    Now from near your favorite passage.
    2 Cor. 5:4,5 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. (the gift of God) Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing [is] God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. (What did Jesus Himself say?) John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.


    Now I said we inherit our inheritance is something that God the Father also gave to Jesus the Christ being we are joint heirs with him. This verse is in your and my bible it is the word of God.
    John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life (eternal life the gift of God) in himself;

    How and when did he give it to him? Col. 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.


    Where does a baby go when it dies?
     
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    How can a corpse be punished?
     
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    Who comes out of mourning, shaves and eats in anticipation of dying :confused: David said he would go to his son, not he would be as his son was.
     
  13. webdog

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    So according to your logic, you can have your sins forgiven and deny Christ. That's so rank I smell it in Ohio :) Faith is never a work, btw.
    Wow...talk about false doctrine :eek: Eternally saved apart from Christ :eek:

    Dr. Bob, I wouldn't be so quick to label people the way you do.
     
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    Well, not absolutely absent. Jesus himself speaks to this in John 10:16:
    Jesus calls sheep those who are not now in the fold, as if their entrance is an accomplished fact. These sheep he has not yet brought; they have not yet heard his voice. They have not yet repented and believed, but they are called sheep.

    Later in the chapter, Jesus describes how they'll be recognized:
    I know where Dr. Bob is coming from, and he is on sound ground. He can take it from here
     
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    Please use all that David said. That being, Now he is dead, Can I bring him back (from the dead) I shall go to him (that is I will one day die) but he shall not return to me.

    David wasn't talking about dying and going somewhere and meeting up with his son.

    Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.For David is not ascended into the heavens


    Do the verses from Acts 2 have anything to say about the whereabouts of the soul of David and the son he was going to and the condition of there flesh? See also Acts 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers,(and his son) (in Sheol / Hades / Hell the grave) and saw corruption:
     
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    Any one who holds or defends the false theology that Bob holds is in the same boat as Bob. He has no business in any ministry claiming to be of Christ. This is nothing but cultish in nature and totally against scripture.
     
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    Elect

    If we can't talk about the elect as Paul does then we really don't know the scripture.

    There is an elect that was chosen before the foundation of the world, but the more we study scripture and see both sides of the coin and scripture does come clearer.

    You read about an elect in Rev about a 144 thousand and then you hear about the other side of the coin an amount saved like the sands of the seashore.

    Jesus said Himself that God has hidden the truth from the wise and learned and that those who deny Christ He will do also, so we know these are not the Elect. I am not talking about a Peter denial, but a disowning denial.

    We do know that ones God said He will keep. The meek and the humble who trust in the name of the Lord.

    We are all teachers and all learners and just because some people don't see what you see doesn't mean you can talk bad about the person.

    Some people who think they are chosen in the womb and have not come to trust in Christ will be disappointed facing the Lord and Him saying that He never knew him.
     
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    And you can now see that every Calvinist has denied it to this point. But when you choose this subject you are choosing a topic they many have personally experienced ...even as Calvinist. In any event your lack of sensitivity & sensibility is astonishing.
     
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    OK Dog....dead in your sins. So how can you do anything when your dead in your sins?
     
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    Aaaaa no, thats not what he meant...

    your dead in your sins & your saved by Christs death on the cross.

    your then provided irresistible grace to want to be a child of God....anyway thats how I heard it (without the stink)
     
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