Where do you draw the line on booze?

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  1. SBG

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    In many Baptist statement of faith, there is a prohibition on Church members from the use, manufacture and sale of alcoholic beverages. I was wondering where the "line" should be drawn for a member? Scenario: John Q. Baptist, works for a Wal-Mart supercenter in the sporting goods department. This store also sales beer and wine in the grocery department. Is John Q. out of the guidelines of the church? How 'bout Jane the cashier?
     
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    If the business deals in booze, adult literature, cigarettes, etc. I wouldn't work there. No I can't give you scripture, it is an Holy Spirit conviction. .....oh by the way I have already heard the excuse "somebody will sell it anyway" If you want to fine, but some day I will face a holy and righteous God! We still must give an answer for what we did with the life he gave us.
     
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    Most of these kinds of clauses are being dropped from church covenants thankfully. They do not promote, IMO, holiness but rather legalism. Those congregations that have kept them that I have been involved with have shifted the emphasis to the impact on others. So for instance the stumbling block and offense principles of Romans are emphasised.

    Nowadays it is almost impossible to work in a secular organisation and not be involved in the sale or manufacture of alcohol in some way shape or form. Mutual funds have a stake in varius companies from various sectors of the economy, and cross ownership in corporations means that the company you work for may have a stake in a compnay that has a stake in a brewery or something.

    Where is the line drawn? Immediate responsibility. If you can control it, do so, but not for legalistic reasons but for reasons of coscience and conviction.
     
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    friend,
    John 2 is the best guideline that I have ever found.
     
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    I'm with Bro.Ernie on this one...and while it's rare to find a gas-station or grocery-store who abstain from the sale of alcoholic beverages, we do have one of each in our parish(county). Not that we eat-out often, we will patron those who don't serve liquor; & when our children started working in the public, they chose jobs that didn't sell it, nor did they work on Sunday.
     
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    I never had to work anywhere that sold booze--but as a customer who has to patronize Winn-Dixie, Piggly-Wiggly, etc,--my line is drawn on Isle 2! I refuse to go down the isle where beer/wine is sold--even for a short cut to the ice cream!!
     
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    Where do I personlly draw the line. Well the area where I live is dry, no leagl alchol sales. But I do have to at times go to a store in another town, especially WalMArt(we don't have a supercenter so I go to them in other areas, on our travels keeping up with where ever they may have our son), and in this I agree with blackbird, I don't go down that isle, then when we do eat out away from home is alchol is served we don't eat there. We'd rather not associate ourselves with it.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Why? The same reason that some don't go around "gaukin'" at a automobile junk yard. Lots of lives are going to be wrecked going down that isle!
     
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    Does this mean you also don't support these places with your money?

    I would find it hard to find gas without booze being sold there also. Well food also comes to mind, since our grocery stores all sell wine and beer.
     
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    I enjoy a drink now and then and a fine cigar. As far as working at places like this, I wouldn't see scripture being violated, the rest should be in the heart of the person for an answer. If you take a hard line on right and wrong, then no you shouldn't.

    [ August 24, 2002, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: post-it ]
     
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    I've never had a drink in my life nor smoked anything. However, doesn't some of the things we eat affect our bodies in a worse way than a glass of wine in the evening?

    I can just see Ernie with a soda and a candy bar in his hand telling some guy with a dip in his mouth what a sinner he is.
     
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    Usually I draw the line on booze, on the label, if I write it on the glass it rubs off :D :D
    Bible says don't be drunk, not don't drink. Do I drink no, but I don't care if you do, knock your self out.
    (get it knock yourself out [​IMG] )
     
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    For you smart mouths:

    Where we buy gas there are 2 stations one has a liquor store attatched and the other one sells candy and pop. We go to the one that sells evil candy and pop, so I can have a pop in one hand and candy bar in the other.

    That has to be one of the most ridiculous analogies ever presented!!!!1
     
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    Sugar is bad for the body, and in North America is abused way more than alcohol is.

    Does the one you go to sell lotto tickets? How about pornographic magazines? How about cigarettes?
     
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    Do you avoid new car showrooms for the same reason? Maybe some of those cars will be driven by someone who is speeding and gets into a car accident, wrecking lots of lives! Or do you avoid bakeries? Lots of those goodies will be eaten by gluttonous folk, causing relationship and health problems galore.

    Potential for abuse does not equal abuse.
     
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    The original question that opened this thread was responded to by certain people who were then attacked because they take a very conservative stand.

    That stand should be respected, if not agreed with. If they are erring, it is on the side of safety.

    Most of you know I also do not agree with the no alcohol stand, but I certainly respect it and would ask the same of others here. Why some here thought it was a reason for personal attack is beyond me.
     
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    Where was anyone holding this stand attacked?

    The only personal attacks in this thread I can find is where Ernie was name-calling.
     
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    My smart mouth has been corrected. Sorry for getting you upset. I thought I was making another point. My apologies.
     
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    A question I have thought much about in the past-- but I don't think much about now, because the answer appears unanswerable-- is: How is sin quantized?

    On the matter of consuming sugars, fats, Calories, or cholestrol... Is eating a candy bar, an ice cream novelty, a piece of cake, for examples, an 'automatic' sin, or is it a sin for one who is overweight, has a weak heart, or clogged arteries? or how overweight, or how bad a heart, etc.?

    And then, if it is a matter of excess, and for example you know you should limit your daily Caloric intake to 1200, is consuming 1250 C 50 sins? is it one sin? and if so, is consuming 2500 still a single sin, or is it 1300 sins?

    And smoking... is one puff one sin, is one cigar one sin.... or, with all these things, does sin come in sizes mini, micro, super, and jumbo?

    Nevertheless, on the alcohol issue, if one is consistent who says drinking any at all is sin, then that person should also think eating any sugar at all is sin, any cholestrol at all is sin. And if long hair for men is wrong, while the Bible does not declare how long is 'long,' then in keeping with the alcohol abstinance position, all men should shave their heads.

    [ August 25, 2002, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: ChristianCynic ]
     

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