Where has this gotten you?

I used to be KJVO when I was younger. I finally rejected it do to the inferior way it translates key verses (calling Christ a thing, the Holy Spirit an it, etc). The Lord saved me out of the KJVO movement because I had an honest desire for truth.

Since coming here, I am no longer amazed at the ignorance of KJVO advocates. It truly grieves me at the blindness of so called christians.

 

The truth

Not sure what you mean by that ...

 

I had been saved for several years when I received a rather rude introduction to KJVO. Being filled with an insatiable appetite for TRUTH, I set out to learn if KJVO was a true doctrine or not. A red flag went up when I began asking people for PROOF that this doctrine was right & I received nothing but evasive or absolutely WRONG answers. Thinking I was dealing with ignoramuses, I began to read KJVO material on my own.(My study wasn't limited to only KJVO. I found other doctrines that proved false also, such as Calvinism, which ignores many Scriptures.)

I read virtually every KJVO book or article that's ever been mentioned here, and checked out each and every assertion each of them made-AND FOUND ALMOST ALL OF THEM WRONG! Those people had made a doctrine they simply couldn't prove!

And on this board I see the same garbage in new dumpsters. I see the same evasiveness, the same avoidance, the same imagination, the same guesswork, the same lack of evidence, the same stubborn clinging to a doctrine that's totally untrue that's characterized virtually every KJVO I've dealt with since 1982. I see this doctrine rooted so deeply in some people that I can't help but believe it interferes with their total worship experience.

If this were simply a preference for one given Bible version it wouldn't be so bad, but this garbage goes far beyond that, heaping aspersions upon the VERY WORD OF GOD when it's in any other version but their pet one. And what makes it DOUBLY bad and wrong is that NO KJVOnlyist can tell us BY WHOSE AUTHORITY they've adopted that myth, and BY WHOSE AUTHORITY they tell us WE should also be KJVO! They're ships steaming without rudders.

Making or following false doctrines about God is a serious thing. I hope more of these KJVOs will see how hollow their myth is, and abandon it. using only the KJV is OK, but supporting in any way the myth that it's the ONLY valid English Bible version is *WRONG*!!

 

....which is translated by fallible biased Anglican translators. Fallible men translating an infallible Bible=fallible translation.

 

I came to the BB in a rather selfish way.

I am part of a local ABC-USA association that has 20 churches in it. In April we will be having an association meeting/class on the history of the Bible.
This has risen due to the fact that one church was split over the KJBO stance. Another church is looking down the same barrel.
At our annual meeting, the KJBO issue was hotly debated.

I can only assume what the meeting in April will be like. Debating back and forth. Emotions can take over if we're not careful.
I came to the BB in order to prepare myself for that meeting. I wanted to know what today's KJBOs were believing and arguing. I also wanted to know how to refute them using the Bible.

I have learned so much while debating. Thank you all. I feel I am prepared for April.

I have a tendency to let my emotions show, which will be a bad thing at the upcoming meeting.

So if I can get used to the different arguments on this board, I won't be surprised and angered so easily in April. Make sense?

Some in our associtation want to make the KJB the "official" Bible of the association.
As much as I love the KJB, I could never agree with that stance.
Each church must be autonomous and decide for itself. No association has the right to demand this. So you see I'm looking at two different issues that may come up in April.

So If you remember this, Please pray for our meeting. It will be interesting.

Good night All.

 

When I first came to the board I had never given a thought to the version debate. Of course, the KJV is the word of God, So is the NIV and all of the others. I still feel that way.
What has amazed me is the KJVO's downright silliness sometimes in trying to make their case.
Example:
Someone criticized a MV for a verse that made Joseph out to be Jesus's father, while, right there in Lk. 2:48: "Your father and I..."
Example:
My Pastor (KJVO is the only thing that I have seen where we disagree), bless his heart, went on for the longest time about the modern version's rendering of John 1:14. The Word was made flesh (KJV), vs. The Word became flesh (MV's). His point was that became makes it sound like Jesus was created. BECAME speaks of creation, while WAS MADE does not? He had me scratching my head on that one!
The KJV is a version, a translation folks don't put it up there higher than it should be.

 

FYI, the word is "fallible." And yes I am that, and so are you. God is not and is word his not. And that, in and of itself, shows why the KJV is not the only word of God. It is fallible. We have shown errors and changes, minor though they may be. God has no problem spelling or getting the commas in the right place. How does a fallible God give us an infallible Bible that is fallible? That doesn't make sense.

In the end, we need to love God and his word. This morning, I will humbly open the word of God to Hebrews 1 and proclaim the superiority of Jesus Christ. And I will love every minute of it. And I will pray for some people who are supposed to be here this morning who need to be saved. And that is what matters. This little KJVO debate is hurting people's faith, IMO. The only professing believers who have ever questioned the word of God are KJVO people. They are the only ones that are confused about it. I have new believers in this congregation who read the NIV (at my recommendation) who never come up and ask me about why something is different. They understand ... I wish we could get past this once and for all and return to the truth of Scripture ...

 

Originally posted by Watchman:
Someone criticized a MV for a verse that made Joseph out to be Jesus's father, while, right there in Lk. 2:48: "Your father and I..."

tim: That's a silly KJVO objection only if you believe Mary to be infallible.

 

Originally posted by Watchman:
My Pastor (KJVO is the only thing that I have seen where we disagree), bless his heart, went on for the longest time about the modern version's rendering of John 1:14. The Word was made flesh (KJV), vs. The Word became flesh (MV's). His point was that became makes it sound like Jesus was created. BECAME speaks of creation, while WAS MADE does not? He had me scratching my head on that one!

I'm right there scratching my head along with you. Does anyone get this Pastor's point?

 

That's great - you have found that the KJV is right every time. Many of us here on the board haven't. If you would adopt a "live and let live attitude" instead of tearing down Christian brethren, I imagine that the world, and the board, would be a slightly better place. Others have looked at it from both sides and have come to the conclusion that the Word of God is definitely not limited to the KJV and can be found in the originals, in English translations pre-dating the KJV, in modern versions, and in translations around the world.

I wonder why you say that the AV 1611 KJB is accurate beyond measure when you use the Cambridge edition. Why not use what is accurate beyond measure instead of a revision of that which is accurate beyond measure?

 

Bottom line: Mary knew what she was talking about while the KJVOs mentioned in the post you quoted did not.

 

"I'm right there scratching my head along with you. Does anyone get this Pastor's point?"

Yes-Like Bill Clinton, he might also wonder what "is" is. Just another example of being hung up so bad on KJVOism that common sense is left at the door.

 

Bottom line: Mary knew what she was talking about while the KJVOs mentioned in the post you quoted did not. </font>[/QUOTE]Then why did Jesus mildly correct her?

Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

I don't think He wasn't talking about Joseph!

The Bible can accurately record conversations without necessarily endorsing what is said. The difference between the KJV and various modern versions is that the MVs here have Luke, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, calling Joseph Jesus's father, which really is the same thing as God himself saying it. Do you see how that's not really comparable to having Mary the mother of our Lord, but ultimately just another wretched sinner saved by grace, say it?

 

It is one thing to show where a person's stance is incorrect. It's a far different thing to make personal attacks at another person, and your 1000+ posts are wrought with these types of attacks.

Many of us have pointed this out, so it is not just me. The others here on the board have you pretty much figured out, so you can't evade the Truth here. The erroneous translations are far smaller in MV's than in the KJV, and this board in particular has shown that over and over again.

 

Note the change here... "Get a Bible. Rather get a the KJB."