Where is Hell? Part II

The Seventh Day Adventists creator Mr. Miller prophesied that the Lord was going to return in 1844. This has been well documented. Even when this proved him to be a false prophet it did not keep Ellen G. White from following after him. Just like when Joseph Smith's false prophecies failed it did not keep Brigham Young from continuing the Mormon doctrine.

The Seventh Day Adventist and the Jehovah Witness and the Mormons and the Christedelphians should all not try to deal with a subject such as eternity and prophecy that all of them have failed so miserably in them.

All of them use Solomon's writings in Ecclesiastes as their gospel even though Solomon wrote this writing way after his falling away into idolatry. Yet these groups take his words as the word of God. The Jews don't take his writings very serious at all.

I have read this thread and I have seen some mistakes made by our SDA writer. These groups do not believe people who died in sin will rise again for the Great White Throne judgement. They believe if you die lost that is it. Your body turns to dust and you never ever exist again.
No resurrection for the lost. No judgement.

The argument that because the interpreters of the Bible used the word sleep to argue soul sleep is far fetched. If you study Judaism you will understand that the Jewish people did not believe in soul sleep. They believe sheol is a land of shades. A place where the soul of man rests.

The 7th days adventists will quote scriptures they think defend their beliefs but ignore those who destroy their beliefs. This is the mark of a cult. THe 7th day Adventists are cultists.

 

3Angels' mom:

Why do you not deal with the truth that your church's founder was a False Prophet that declared the coming of the Lord in 1844 and it failed.

You talk about DHK slandering the 7th Day Adventist and you dare call others daughters of Whores. I among others on the board will question your Christianity. It is one thing to disagree with doctrine but this habit that 7th Day Adventist,or Jehovah Witnesses have of name calling is not acceptable behavior.

Jesus himself spoke of a burning Hell with torment more than anyone else in the Bible and for 7th Day Adventists to say they are above God in their beliefs is blasphemous.

I have studied this religion and I have read books and whether you believe people will be at the judgement does not matter because most 7th day Adventist I have known do not.

You also refuse to address the truth that King Solomon was reprobate when he wrote the book you
like to quote from. Why would anyone accept the words of a idol worshipper and a man who had 700 wives and 1000 concubines. A man who brought judgement from God upon Israel through his son Rehoboam.

Christianity began with the Jews and from Judaism
a lot of the teachings came. If the Jews do not believe in soul sleep then why do you believe in it? The word sleep being used does not prove your point.

Moses and Elijah appeared to the apostles and Jesus. Moses died but Elijah was carried to Heaven yet they both appeared. Don't say that was a vision because that would not make sense. Jesus walked into a vision? The cloud and the voice? Then we have the witch of Endor through necromancy calling up the prophet Samuel after he died? Also in the book of Revelation we have those who died from martyrdom speaking from under the altar. Sure sounds like all these people were sleeping in their graves. What about those who were seen walking around in Jerusalem after Jesus died? Sounds like soul sleep to me. The multitude of people on the sea of Glass who died?
This event happened before the Great White Throne. This makes your doctrine look foolish.

Paul said to be absent from the body we will be present with the Lord. How is that possible? Why would Paul want to die if he would just go off to sleep? This would not make sense.

Jesus speaking to the Pharisees about resurrection said to them that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and that he is the God of the Living not the Dead. Well this trio is dead. Buried. But Jesus said they are alive.
With your soul sleep doctrine how is that possible?

You quote scripture that you want to twist to fit your twisted beliefs but there are more that refutes your beliefs. It is sad that cults like yours exist.

 

You still refuse to address the issue that your churches founder prophesied the coming of the Lord in the 1800's and it failed. Why is that?
Please don't come back and talk about certain individuals in churches that had failed because they were not the founders of a movement like Miller was. He not only failed in his prophecy of
1844 but the previous year he failed in another prophecy.

The early adventists were called Millerites who barked like dogs, rolled in the floor. Shouted and danced. They believed in holy kissing even men kissing women they were not married to which caused a lot of severe persecution for this group. In one meeting at a Elder Ayers home the noise was so great that the police was called and because of what the officer saw he placed one of the men under arrest and according to the local paper the women in the home physically attacked the police officer. When Ellen White was called to testify she said no one resisted the arrest but out of 23 witnesses both for the prosecution and defense did not dispute what the officer said happened. This shows the ethics of Ellen WHite. It was also discovered a few years after this incident that Mrs. White had forged signatures of Millerites she claimed testified that no body had resisted the arrest after a Mrs. R.W. Wood's discovered her name and her husbands name as agreeing with Mrs. White's testimony. She contacted the local paper and gave her story.

Ellen G. White for years taught it was wrong to pay tithes yet there is proof she paid tithes.
She taught it was sin to eat pork but was caught
many times by followers eating pork. She taught wearing jewelry was sin but there are many pictures of her wearing jewelry. She said you should never use vinegar but was addicted to it herself.

Mrs. White said she gave up meat for the Lord in 1869 but was seen by reliable witnesses eating duck and deer on a trip to Colorado. She taught all these health regulations and rules but violated them all herself. Does this not sound like what Jesus said of the Pharisess?

In 1863 many of the Adventist women were wearing a reform dress which was cut about half way to the knees. Ellen White condemned it as sinful but in 1864 she herself adopted wearing the same clothing she had earlier condemned.

It has also been proven by credible witnesses that many of Mrs. White's so called visions happened after she heard someone teach on certain subjects that they had studied for and now believed in.

The 7th Day adventists declare that they have no
creed but the Bible and that is not true. There is a written creed for this group.

According to Ellen White her writings are equal and on the same level as the Bible and that she is the only interpreter of infallible Biblical principles. This smacks just like the Pope. I guess Mrs. White is the SDA's popess.

Mrs. White was a sickly individual and uneducated. She got caught up in Miller's false prophecies about the second coming of Jesus in 1843 and 1844. She even after they failed defended this though the Bible condemns this practice. In her first vision she said Jesus told
her that those who disbelieved Millers prophecies would be cast down. This would make anyone question her visions. Many hundreds of Adventists told her that her visions were not of God but a product of hallucination caused by her weak and sickly body for she had serious and major epilepsy.

Elder White her husband later just before he died disputed a lot of her visions and teachings and wrote two elders in the church saying they had wrongly influenced his wife's teachings.

Did the Seventh Day Adventist come up with Soul sleep on their own. No. They took this teaching from first day Adventists which they later fought with.

There was a lot of questionable incidents in her lifetime such as the fires in her headquarters and publishing company after she was refuted by some members for being a false prophet and she declared that she was moving her headquarters. They never could prove arson but the fires was very suspicious.

Mrs. White in 1846 said she had a vision that Jesus had closed the doors on all other denominations because they rejected Elder Miller's prophecies and she labeled them all Babylon the Great Whore. Even at this time she was defending this mans false prophecies. Why would anyone find credibility in anything she said.

Mrs. White taught that in 1844 Christ's work of mediation and intercession for sinners ended. She received this revelation from an Elder Bates. She never quit trying to prophesy a date for the coming of the Lord until the day she died. All those dates failed. She later abandoned this teaching but alludes to it in her writings. This Elder Bates who was a major influence wrote a denial of this teaching but other church manuscripts proved both he and Ellen White taught the door to salvation had been closed in 1844.
When too many Adventists refused to believe their teaching they changed their stories. They also realized in 1850 that many of their children had come to the age of accountability but according to the teachings of Miller could not be saved.
Some how they had to get around this and they changed the teachings.

Mrs. White in the 1850's had a vision in which she claimed she saw Good ole father Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in Heaven which went against her teaching of soul sleep. When she was told this was against her teachings she changed her story that the vision was after the resurrection of the righteous in Heaven.

On June 29, 1851 she told her followers she had a vision on that day when she was in Camden, N.Y.
but it has been proven by plenty of credible witnesses that she was not in Camden on that date. Imagine that. Also what is strange is that this vision again taught the closed door teachings which she had just repudiated earlier.
Many of the leaders ingnored this vision.

When her early writings were republished in the 1880's many of them had missing parts. No one ever explained why they had been suppressed. In the vault at their General conference offices there are writings of Ellen G White that are unpublished that are withheld from their churches. Why is this. When some men entere the vault and discovered them and copied them they were warned that they had to return the copies or be disfellowshipped and fired. One man was fired for not complying. Why does this church supress their founding leaders writings?

Mrs. White pronounced a prophecy of judgement against a Moses Hull in 1862 but he lived to a ripe old age with no repurcussions. On January 4, 1862 she claimed God gave her a vision and prophecy about the civil war that Abraham Lincoln was an evil man and that the union would be defeated. When Lincoln called all Christians to a day of fasting and prayer she said this was an abomination to Jehovah. Christians are not to pray for government leaders. She prophesied that the nation would be brought to dust and that England would declare war against the Us while it fought the civil war. Neither came to pass.
Then she prophesied famine and total destruction. She failed in this prophecy too.

Ellen G. White would have fit very comfortably with the TBN crowd because she used her teachings and visions and prophecies to become substantially wealthy after being dirt poor.

3 Angels Mom you can keep believing your false doctrines and you can keep calling us all Daughters of Whores but you better look at your own church because it is full of false teachings based on lies and irregularities.

 

3 angels MOm: It would do no one any good to prove to you without a shadow of a doubt what people have tried to prove to you because you would deny it. It is not slander to tell the truth.

THese things have been taken from Ellen G. White's own writings that people have gotten copies of but you see just like other cults people don't want to hear the truth about their groups and their leaders.

I don't want your respect. You are teaching heresy and false doctrine. I came out of a group that did the same thing so I have the right to feel this way. Their leaders were hypocritical and even when evidence was offered to them they denied it and keep right on walking down the road
they have tread of heresy and false doctrine.

There is no new revelations. God gave no one visions or dreams to start new doctrines. We have the scriptures and that is enough and Paul himself said let any man or even an angel who preaches any other gospel but that which was delivered by the apostles and Jesus Christ himself be accursed.

I don't have to know you personally. I have known 7th Day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons and Oneness Pentecostals aplenty and I know their false doctrines. They are all elitists and think they are the only ones going to Heaven. They will face a God of wrath at judgement for their deceptions. Whether you believe it or not does not matter to me. Right now you feel safe because you are alive and walking around but the time will come when you will find out your erroneous ways but the sad thing will it will be too late to change.
I won't respond to you anymore because you don't want to hear truth but you choose to believe lies and be damned.

 

hrhema -- I have read this thread and I have seen some mistakes made by our SDA writer. These groups do not believe people who died in sin will rise again for the Great White Throne judgement. They believe if you die lost that is it. Your body turns to dust and you never ever exist again.
No resurrection for the lost. No judgement.

Wonderful post - not true, but wonderful just the same.

However, be honest. Do you really "care" if it is true? I mean it is useful just as it reads.

But my question is - do you really care if SDAs actually do reject the idea of judgment?

Here's my thinking, since what you are saying is not true, just skip it and go on until you find an objection on some point that will hold water.

Yes! that's it!


In Christ,

Bob

 

hrh --
I have known 7th Day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons and Oneness Pentecostals aplenty and I know their false doctrines

That's good - but step one is try to figure out exactly what one of them teaches and then show why you object. A difficult job if you're not getting the first part right.

In any case - this message thread is a good example of zeroing in on one specific doctrine and trying to show why you believe as you do - and why you object to another belief.

Give it a try.

In Christ,

Bob