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If you have any insight please provide Scripture.
Hades is "beyond the pillars of Hercules" - so this is probably the UK or more remotely, America.
Source - "The Odyssey" - by Homer (Before he got the TV bug).
Like the "New Jerusalem," Hell is a place at a point outside of contiguous time. See the "Lake of Fire" in the Book of Revelation for details. This is "Hell," not the mythical place where Satan rules.
In other words, Hell is probably nowhere yet, unless you're dead, in which case the point is moot.
Hell is anywhere that God isn't
Here is another thought regarding the eternal state of all persons:
RIVER OF FIRE
Let me know what you think.
Austin, Texas was official determined to be the location of hell by a group of researchers at Texas A&M.
I second that.
Read the story of the rich man and Lazarus--hell is that fixed place seperated from Abraham's Bosom in the eternal realm where time is still kept--a place of eternal torments(note the pluriality) away from God's presence.
Hell is what Nebraska Cornhusker football fans went through this past year.
I walked across Nebraska this past summer, and sometimes I thought I was in hell.
In Michigan! No...really! It's in Michigan! Look it up on the net, you'll find Hell, MI!
I thought that story was a parable.
Didn't Jesus resurrect that guy?
You know Guys Hell is a serious subject that should not be made fun of or ignored because as Christians we are supposed to reach the lost to keep them from this place.
Isaiah said Hell from beneath.
No the story of the Rich man and Lazarus was not a parable and no this was not the same Lazarus that Jesus brought back from death.
The proponents of soul sleep and those who refuse to accept that God will judge people and cast them into a place called Hell will say this was a parable like others Jesus told but Jesus only in this story used a real name of a real person.
Jesus being God was not telling a fairy tale but knew and told us the truth of the afterlife.
The angels came and carried Lazarus' soul to Abrams bosom. The Rich man was cast into Hell.
Hell and the Lake of Fire is not one and the same because Hell according to Revelations will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Hell is the holding place of the damned. A reality whether people choose to believe in it. Jesus spoke of this place more than any other person.
People have a problem with this concept because they cannot imagine a place so huge that it would hold the countless scores of the lost. Jesus made it very clear that the road to the place is broad and that many are they that find this road but few find the narrow path to salvation.
To me I question anyone's Christianity that wants to take this subject so lightly to joke about it.
Gehenna (often translated as hell) was a garbage dump out side the city of Jerusalem.
Hades is next to abraham bosom (if you intrepret the story literally)
and in my belief, the lake of fire, will be earth when it is consumed with fire.
Hey Jude --
And NNE in the world was more happy than us PENN STATE FANS to watch you Cornhuskers endure it after the way you jobbed us on that '96 national championship!
Brother Ed -- NEVER forgit!!!
Luk 15:1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
Luk 15:2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
Luk 15:3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luk 15:8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
Luk 15:9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
Luk 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luk 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
Luk 15:26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
Luk 15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
Luk 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
Luk 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
Luk 16:1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
Luk 16:2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
Luk 16:3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
Luk 16:4 I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.
Luk 16:5 So he called every one of his lord's debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord?
Luk 16:6 And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.
Luk 16:7 Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
Luk 16:8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
Luk 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
Luk 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
Luk 16:11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
Luk 16:12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luk 16:14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
Luk 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Luk 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
Luk 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
Luk 17:11 And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.
According to this text, Jesus began speaking His 'Sermon' at the beginning of chapter 15 and He did not depart from where He was speaking until chapter 17.
The opening text states that 'He [Jesus] spoke this parable unto them, saying...'
And in the discourse of this sermon He gave 5 parables, The 99 and One Sheep, The 10 Peices of Silver, The Prodigal Son, The Bad Steward, and THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS.
Note: At no point in His sermon did He change the pattern of His speech, He was speaking to the same group of people through out the sermon.
In another place it says:
Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
That tells me that He always spoke in parables to the people.
When asked why He did this He responded:
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
It is not so aparent to me, that is why I asked.
Based on the above findings, I am led to believe that it WAS a parable, that, and in my Bible there is a list of parables in the back and The Lazarus story is on it.
What Scripture did you find to come to the conclusion you have, (because there seems to be a conflict)?
Don't worry about it. We stuck it to Penn State for you in the Citrus Bowl.
Where is Hell?
Broad and Pattison, South Philly.
Don't believe me? Wait 'til Sunday.
It still doesn't take away from wiping the field with Nebraska on a sunny Fall day!!
Some things are just tooooooo good!!!
Brother Ed -- nobody in the WORLD could have beat that '95 team!!
Actually, this is not really accurate. There is a clear shift in the way Jesus was speaking in 16:15. Do you take vv.15-18 as a parable? Also, according to 15:1-3, who is Jesus speaking to? The Pharisees and scribes or the tax collectors and sinners? I am not sure there, but in 16:15 it is clear that He shifts His focus onto the Pharisees and scribes and speaks directly to them. Just my $.02 worth. I believe that the parable of Lazarus and the rich man my well be a true story just because this is the only parable where He uses a proper name.