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1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

Merely is your word no one else has used it.

 

Is Moriah telling the truth? Did he give me scripture when I gave him John 6:64-65 the first time? Did he give me scripture when he responded to my second post? Below are his responses, you be the judge if he is lying or not!

A. Moriah's first response to my John 6:64-65 statement:

We can only come to Jesus by faith. No one can come to Jesus unless they have faith. How do you think this scripture says no one can believe in God after learning of Him? How do you think this scripture says God saves someone before they believe and make them believe? It does not.

Do you see one scripture in this response?


B. Moriah's Second response when asked in Post #33 to provide any contextual scripture from John 6 to support his above assertion:

We cannot come to Jesus unless we have faith. That is how we have access. THAT IS THE WORD OF GOD. YOU GO AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. You are not going against me, you are going against Jesus. Nowhere does the Bible say what you believe. God enables us by faith, it is HOW WE HAVE ACCESS.

Romans 5:12 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

His interpetation of John 6:64-65 was challenged. I challenged him to support his outlandish interpretation by sustaining that interpretation from the context of John 6! Do you find any contextual basis provided from John 6 in the above response? NOTHING!

Instead he jumps out of the context and into another book of the Bible and quotes Romans 5:12. No one denies that faith gives access into the grace of justification because we are justified by Faith (Rom. 5:1-2). However, Romans 5:5:12 DOES NOT TELL US HOW WE OBTAIN FAITH, IT ONLY TELLS US WHY WE NEED FAITH BUT JOHN 6:44-45; 64-65 TELLS US HOW MAN RECEIVES FAITH, FROM WHENCE IT COMES - "GIVEN OF THE FATHER".

 

The way the reformed Brethern believe it, I disagree with. I do think we become T.D. after God accounts/imputes sin unto us, and then we become T.D. They(reformed Brethern) believe we are born in an already T.D. state, which I do not.

For clarification: What I mean by T.D. is that as sinners, we have no desire to serve God until He first calls. Even with Him calling us, some/most will reject this call. IOW, we are unable/unwilling to even want to serve Him until He first calls.

My personal experience: When I was a sinner, God drawed me for years. I'd go to church for a while, and then stop. I enjoyed talking to people about the bible, but when someone tried to force salvation upon me, I'd back away. I didn't want to die and go to hell, but I didn't want to serve God, either. It was when God sent a radio preacher my way one morning on the way home from work, that it really shook me. This preacher was preaching from Daniel 3, and the fiery furnace. It was then that I realized if He didn't save me, I'd be in a fiery furnace for eternity. God had finally gotten my complete attention. I then began seeking after Him, and His mercy, grace, forgiveness, love etc. On thursady May 24th, 20007, at approx 1:30 am, He saved a sinner from his sins. I had no desire to serve Him whatsoever until He was drawing me. I was T.D., with no desire of serving God. Now, I do my very best to please Him every second of every day....though I fall woefully short many times :tear:.

I hope this clears things up.


I do think a sinner(spiritually dead that is) can, and does, hear God. So, maybe that's not T.D. that I called it. But I do think none of us as sinners were willing to come before He first called us.

 

When we are born, I believe we are born spiritually alive. In this state, even infants sin, but do so not knowing that is wrong in the sight of God. Take for instance, you tell a child to not get into the cookies. While you're out of the room, they go and get into them. You walk in and catch them redhanded, and you then tell them, "I thought I told you to not get into those cookies". To which they would probably reply, "I was getting the cookies for you". Did they lie? Yessirree. But did they know that is was a sin unto God. No. It's when someone knows to do good, and does it not, it is then sin unto them. At this time, God imputes/accounts their sins unto them, and are no longer under His Grace, and needs to be saved. From this point forth, they can not get back to God w/o Him first calling them. This call will go to all, but only those who believe will be added to the Fold.

I do not believe we are born in a totally depraved state, either.

You're welcome. I am glad I have cleared things up.

When I was a sinner, I was a SINNER!! Not bragging about this, but it was true. I had no desire to serve God whatsoever. It was when He drew me, I'd go to church for a while, and then stop, and back to my sinful life I went. Over time, when I heard that message, He got my full attention. I had no desire to serve Him until then. Other times, when He drew me, I would have a desire to serve Him, but over time, I went my own way. I was never saved at those other times He drew me. I would go to church, and ask Him to save me, and even read my bible. But I wasn't saved. However, on May 24th, 2007, He saved my dead soul. Praise be to Him!!

 

Thanks for explaining, Biblicist!

 

yeah, when you stick you foot so deeply into your own mouth as you have done and it is pointed out, it is hard to confront the truth isn't it?

 

"Total depravity," like the Trinity, is a legal construct not explicitly taught in the Bible.

By the way, it means that sin contaminates all human activity, NOT that all human activity is evil.

 

Everything you do is done either from a right or wrong motive. Since we are commanded no matter what we do, to do all for the glory of God (1 Cor. 10:31) then it is sin when we fail to do whatever we do for any other motive. Hence, all have "come short of the glory of God." Hence, sin characterizes all that we do from the wrong motive.

 

If you read the post again, no where will you find where I said man cannot believe in God. In fact, Romans 1:20-21 says we can look around us, the night sky in particular, and know there is a God. When one goes beyond that to the Gospel, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. How you got that I believe that God is up in heaven zapping people with His magic wand into salvation daily, I do not know.

I do not carry around a chip on my shoulder in trying to explain the sovereignty of God compared to the responsibility of man. It does have an element of mystery. The best answer is to let God be God and let Him handle it. All that is required of us is to put our faith in Jesus Christ. Some come to the Lord and some do not. I am not going to micromanage what rests in the realm of the eternal. If we spent as much time telling others about Jesus as we do arguing between Calvinism and Arminianism, then possibly more people would be in God's family.

 

You are simply ignorant of the Scriptures and at minimum greatly immature in the Christian walk. We are more than conquerors "IN HIM" not IN US! There is no victory OUTSIDE of Christ. We have already conquered sin judicially/position through justification by faith "in him." As we are walking "in him" we experience victory over the manifestation of sin in our lives. Our MATURITY is determined by the characterization of our walk "in him." All Christians are not EQUAL in their walk, that is why the Bible speaks of spiritual "children" and "young men" and "fathers."

This is how you are "IN HIM" judicially by justification but this is not how you are personally and practically simply becuase you are not yet glorified like Christ in your own person.

Read the text again! You are misreading it! He plainly tells you that he has not yet attained, he has not yet attained being perfect:

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after,

You simply reject what Paul says and rewrite it to suite your heresy! He clearly and expressly denies he has already attained perfection!

Of course, we should never be satisfied with our imperfection, but that does not mean we deny it either and that is exactly what you are doing. Paul did not deny his imperfection but just would not allow it to keep him from pressing toward the only real worthy goal to strive for - perfection.

Notice he admits that he needed to forget the past which is history of failures to attain perfection. He simply confessed his sins and got back up and pressed forward and that is what every healthy child of God should do.

However, Paul did not deny his imperfect condition, he simply refused to allow it to stop him from pressing toward the mark of perfection and thus maturing as that is exactly how we mature in our walk.

But you are denying your imperfect condition. You won't admit you are a sinful person but you are trying to make everyone believe you are a sinless person. There is no middle ground between sinless and sinful. You are one or the other and Paul denied he was sinless and admitted he needed to forget his past failures.

Your own words here condemn your very doctrine of sinless perfection. The sinless or perfect man needs no maturing as he is already sinless or perfect or living above sin. No one can go on to maturity believing your doctrine as they are already as mature as they can possibly attain - perfection, sinlessness!

Just because a person does not willfully/intentionally sin does not me they do not sin, as willful sin is but ONE way to violate God's law but not the only way to violate God's law. Everything you do is sin if it is not done with the intent to glorify God (1 Cor. 10:31). Coming short of the glory of God is sin (Rom. 3:23). Acting contrary to your own convictions regardless if your convictions are right or wrong in God's eyes is sin (Rom. 14 "whatsoever is not of faith is sin"). Sin is not merely an external act ommitted or committed but it is any state of mind that is contrary to the spirit of God's Word. Sin is not merely attitude and actions ommitted or committed but it is a CONDITION of being where indwelling sin resides evidenced by its fruits.

Only a sincerely ignorant man would claim to be living above sin or an arrogant self-righteous hypocrit.

Here is the bottom line in so far as real spirituality! The true spiritual man grows more conscious of his own sinfulness the closer he walks with God. The immature Christian or lost professor is the only man who perceives himself as living above sin.

 

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Moriah, for someone who accuses someone else of accusing the brethren, you sure do accuse the brethren a lot. Do you think you ought to give it a break??