This is a question I've been pondering for a while. This was kind of brought up in another thread that was closed, but I want to open it up in a different way, hopefully to get answers instead of attacks. The question is, where do we draw the line in addictive or mind altering substances, and why? Some on this board are against drinking alcohol at all. Some say it's ok to consume alcohol, but not get drunk. The question of marijuana was also brought up, but instead of a discussion, it degraded very, very quickly. On my part, I do not drink alcohol nor do I smoke. I am on the fence on whether or not drinking alcohol is a sin, but I will not partake of it even if I am convinced it's ok due to seeing the effects of it on others in the past. I do know that anyone I talk to in the secular world views it as a waste to drink only a couple of beers. If they want to drink, they want to get drunk. I have even heard a few people say that they don't like the taste of alcohol, but like to get drunk. For those that are against the use of alcohol (assuming that the user did not get drunk), why then is it ok to drink caffeine? Caffeine is a mind altering (remember, mind altering does not always mean that it is a hallucinogen) drug that can make you hyper, and act in ways that you wouldn't without it. For those that are ok with alcohol, why not marijuana, outside of the obvious legal boundaries? Alcohol and marijuana are very closely related, and in fact, from what I've seen/heard marijuana is statistically a safer drug than alcohol. (I added the "from what I've seen/heard, because I have no resources to cite at hand). As far as addiction goes, marijuana isn't even addictive. It's habit forming, yes, but not addictive. There is no withdrawal from marijuana. The question can go ad infinitum into substances. What about energy drinks? Fat burning pills (as these have energy boosting substances in them)? What about herbs/pills that are supposed to sharpen the mind? Tobacco is another substance that alters the mind. So, to state the question simply so that there is no mistake about what this thread is about, where do you draw the line and why when it comes to substance use? This isn't about the legality of a substance. It's about your personal belief, and how you've come to that.