Where was ADAM when EVE was deceived?

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  1. dianetavegia

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    Was Adam with Eve when the serpent tempted her? Your thoughts and scripture to back it up, please.
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    He was there with her

    Genesis 3:6
    And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
     
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    what more can one say?
     
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    I guess a better question was what was he thinking.
     
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    Question: After Adam and Eve sinned, how did they hear a *voice* walking? Something to think about!

    Any comments?

    Gen.3:8)
    ....they heard the voice of the LORD God *walking* in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

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    Well, MEE, obviously at that time God fellowshipped directly with man, as was His original intention.

    I run the risk of being called a heretic (again), but one can read too much into what is an attempt to relate to fallen man those things for which we have no frame of reference. It isn't precisely neccesary that God the Father have walked as you and I understand walking, or even that He have any kind of corporeal body in His interactions with the first humans. It's possible, yes, but just as possible that this was simply the best way to relate to the reader the familiarity with which the created once communed with his Creator.
     
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    John Wesley said:
     
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    </font>[/QUOTE]John Wesley, then, disagrees with the text of Genesis, doesn't he?
     
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    Eve told the serpent that she and Adam were not even supposed to touch the fruit.

    Genesis 3:2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.' "

    HOWEVER.... God told Adam BEFORE creating Eve....

    Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

    Did Adam lie to Eve and misquote God? That would have been the first sin. Did Eve lie to the serpent by adding to God's word?

    A number of versions do not include 'with her'.

    So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate. RSV

    3:6
    And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband, who did eat. The Douay-Rheims Bible
     
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    I wonder if any of our scholars have done a word study on 'her husband, with her'.
     
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    Was Adam present when Eve picked the fruit at the wooing of the serpent?

    Did the serpent woo Eve in another part of the garden, Eve then go to the tree, pick the fruit, find Adam, take a bite and hand it to Adam?

    Did Eve really believe she would die for just picking the fruit, and if so, since nothing yet had died, how could she understand 'death'?
     
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    Genesis 3:6 doesn't say that Adam was there the whole time. He may have walked up as she was eating the fruit. We really can't say for sure. In either case, he showed terrible judgment, to say the least.
     
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    What I find interesting is that Eve's eyes were not opened to the fact that she was naked until Adam also ate the fruit.
     
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    She didn't notice Adam was naked either.
     
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    Exactly! But you'd think that if she ate of the fruit, then she'd know. But it took both Adam and Eve eating the fruit before it had the effect.

    Perhaps it is a two become one thing. I wonder if this has any ramification when it comes to salvation.
     
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    Ephesians 5:31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

    Very deep thoughts Eladar!

    If a woman has 'married' 4 or 5 men and divorced them for non Biblical reasons, to whom is she ONE FLESH?
     
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    Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
    Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
    Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
    Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
    Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
    Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

    I'm of the opinion that Adam was not with, that is close to or beside Eve, during the encounter with satan. I base this on the bolden parts of the above. Not stated, granted, but inferred, and so my opinion.

    Also , the italized above (vs 6) leads me to believe, in conjunction with the previous explanation, that Adam either came on the scene shortly after Eve ate the apple(?) or perhaps she sought him out since the fruit proved appetizing.

    Now all the above could be totally in error, and he was there all the time, but for some unfathomable reason just declined to intervene!?

    That's because Adam was the head of that household, and the command to refrain from this particular tree was given to him, not Eve. (IMHO!)

    We assume, rightly or wrongly, that he passed the instruction of God to Eve, but possibly was not very clear; hence the devil's approach to Eve?!
     
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    According to Jesus, if a man divorces a woman then he makes her into an adultress. It seems to me that the first marriage is when two become one.
     
  19. dianetavegia

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    I agree Eladar!
     
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    By the way Diane, do you remember me? I used to go by Tuor in my early days.
     

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