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Where Will Ron Paul's $1 Trillion Budget Cut Come From?

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  1. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    Has Ron Paul itemized exactly where in the federal budget he would cut $1 trillion from in his first year in office?
     
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    The bulk of it will come from defense spending.
     
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    This site states that he wants to elimnate five depts:
    (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), abolishing the Transportation Security Administration

    But here is the problem - would his changes get thur Congress? especially if the Dems control at least one house?

    He wants to cut the Defense budget by more than 20%
     
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    Sorry, but both of you are wrong. Paul does not want to cut Defense spending. He wants to cut Military spending. He makes a very clear distinction between the two.

    He will cut 20% from the over-all Defense budget by closing foreign bases and bringing the troops home. He will cut spending such as the recent money spent on the US Embassy in Iraq ($750,000,000!). By doing so he will increase our national security by having more troops here at home and spending the money that was formerly spent overseas right here in the US. :)
     
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    Paul is playing fast and loose with his definitions and numbers both.
    Here is a good explanation of how:

    http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/11/28/fact-check-ron-paul-is-wrong-about-defense-spending/



    And you don't really think that, once he gets all those troops home, it will follow that he won't decide we don't need them at all? That's naive in the extreme.

    He's hiding his isolationist tendencies behind a wall of fresh labels, but he is what he is and he will try to do what the left has wanted to do for decades... eviscerate the military.
     
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    How silly of me to think that Defense and Military are the same thing :tonofbricks:
     
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    A man like Paul, who didn't even think we should go after al qaeda in Afghanistan, will have no inclination to keep a strong military.
     
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    There seem to be more questions than answers. Here's a realistic look at the subject:


    http://libertybullhorn.com/2012/01/03/ron-pauls-1-trillion-cut-a-case-of-wormhole-economics/


    EXCERPT

    Let’s have a look at the federal budget. The sum total is $3.7 trillion, which means that Ron Paul wants to eliminate 27 percent of if practically over night. Of the $3.7 trillion, $2.1 trillion are so called mandatory spending programs, primarily Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. Other mandatory programs that belong to this category fall under the $360 billion non-Medicaid federal funds for states.
     
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    Which means then that any battle would by necessity take place on U.S. soil.

    Do you imagine that our enemies will leave us alone simply because we retreat to within our own borders?

    Will our friends outside of the U.S. still be our friends once we leave them to fend for themselves?
     
    #9 targus, Feb 6, 2012
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    Fiscally, I could support RP; otherwise, NO!!! And since this nation is a whole lot more than the almighty $, he is off my radar totally!!
     
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    Can you explain how U.S. security would be increased by bringing the troops home? I thought it was illegal to deploy the military amongst the general public within U.S. borders.
     
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    You are thinking about the Posse Act
     
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    OK. So let's say President Ron Paul brings the troops home. They are now stationed at military bases across the U.S.A. Exactly how is this going to increase U.S. security?
     
    #13 InTheLight, Feb 6, 2012
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    The Posse Comitatus Act is kaput along with the right to due process.

    We haven't the money to continue being the worlds policeman. Can we at least agree on that?

    What is our foreign policy anyway? I know stupid question but would one of you older and more wiser gentlemen please explain it to me? We've been through hundreds of debates over foreign policy but none (that I can remember anyways) about foreign policy.

    What is it?

    What are we trying to do?

    How are we doing it?

    How are we doing?

    Is it working?

    Are there side effects?

    What are they?

    Does it make us more or less secure?

    What are the benefits?

    Who benefits?

    Who doesn't benefit?

    What are the costs?

    Who pays?


    It boils down to this, is our foreign policy helping us or hurting us. I mean us as you and me and Joe 12 pak cuz a 6 pak just doesn't do the trick anymore. We the people, your average everyday American citizen and all that, us.

    Answer that and maybe we can have a "comprehensive" debate over foreign policy. Just a long thought guys sorry to take up so much space. Carry on. :wavey:
     
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    Bumping, as there has been no answer yet.
     
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    Yes it was. You should know better. The Department of Defense building a $750,000,000 embassy in Iraq has nothing at all to do with the military.

    You can cut the defense budget without cutting the military. You should be aware of that before you start pontificating. :)
     
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    Using US troops to secure the borders would greatly increase our national security. Using US troops to secure ports of entry would greatly increase our national security (and do away with the TSA which, in itself, would increase national security!).
     
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    So, Mr. Constitution, Ron Paul would violate law and deploy troops within our borders?
     
    #18 InTheLight, Feb 10, 2012
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    Ooops double post.
     
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    What law would Ron paul be breaking? Posse Comitatus has been over written by the patriot act(s), Military Commissions Act, The NDAA and probably some "laws" I don't even know about.

    Evidently InTheDark hasn't noticed we've crossed the Rubicon already.

    Hey there InTheDark read the NDAA for cryin out loud and get up to date the Posse Comitatus act has been rendered null and void along with the fifth amendment. :BangHead:
     
    #20 poncho, Feb 10, 2012
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