Which cults were founded using only the NIV

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  1. TC

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    or another MV? I did not want to derail the other thread on KJVO beginnings, so I am starting this one to find the answer. I know that the JW's and SDA and others were founded by people that only used the KJV - although some did write their own Bible years later.
     
  2. Keith M

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    TC, I know of no cult founded on the NIV or any other MV. Threee of the major cults have their own Bible versions, but those versions were written sfter the cults were founded. The Seventh Day Adventists have their Clear Word Bible, the Jehovah's Witnesses have their New Word Translation and the Mormons have their Josph Smith Translation also known as the Inspired Version. These cults produced Bibles they made to say what the Bible had never said before. It's sad how far some groups will go to promote their erroneous teachings. I guess some groups have the mindset that if the Bible doesn't agree with their teachings they'll make a Bible that will agree with their teachings.
     
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    Yep! The 'spirit' of Marcion, the Heretic, is very much alive and well, and has been for almost two millenia. Make your own 'canon', in three easy lessons!

    Ed
     
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    Darn, two responses to the OP = Opening post
    and all the cults founded upon the NIV have
    already been named! :laugh:

    Recall the 'great' denominations founded in
    the 19th Century (1801-1900) were all
    founded on a flawed understainging
    of the KJV1769 Edition
    in the 19th Century:

    1. Christian Science
    2. Adventist Movement
    3. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS)
    4. Jehovah's Witnesses

    At the dawn of the 21st century (2001) each
    of these denominations/cults had over 10,000,000
    members but have their own translation.
     
  5. Keith M

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    Ed, I was not aware of a Christin Science Bible version, although I knew the other three cults have their own versions. Was this an unintentional inclusion or is there a Christian Science version I just haven't heard of yet?
     
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    Brother Keith M:

    I got my information about the other denomination's
    personal interpertations from you. Of course I don't know
    anything you didn't tell. I clarify:

     
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    It's not that a cult uses a particular version of the Bible, it's that it distorts the Bible. If your implication is that the KJV promotes cults i would strongly disagree and suggest that it is only when they distort the KJV.

    Another question could be, "What Bible version do most true (non-cult) churches use?"

    But in the end these questions don't really answer anything important. I don't base my walk with the Lord based on what most cults do or on what most churches do.
     
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    Thanks, Ed, for the clarification.

    And Larry, no one is suggesting the KJVs promote cultism but rather taking a stance against the claim that the NIV has fostered cults. The idea is to show that the major cults came from those who almost strictly used the KJVs. You're right in saying misinterpretation has caused cultism - not a particular Bible version.
     
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    Larryjf: //If your implication is that the KJV promotes cults
    i would strongly disagree and suggest that it is only
    when they distort the KJV.//

    I've been kicked off several boards for saying what I mean.
    That is NOT what I meant here.

    Here are some perfectly litigimate denominational groups that
    use the KJV properly:

    Lutherans
    Presberterians
    Churchs of God (most groups)
    Baptists (many groups)
    Churches of Christ
    Christian Churches

    (non-inclusion on this list is meaningless to anylize,
    I have nothing in front of me but am writing this
    out of my head. My head is NOT an accurate
    memory bank :( )

    I am the person who has a dozen or so writeups that
    show MISUNDERSTANDINGS of the KJVs cause
    doctrinal errors. More divisions in the church are caused by MISUNDERSTANDINGS
    the KJVs than all the MVs put together.
    "The NIV causes doctrinal errors" is a BAD ARGUMENT
    and weakens the cry for legitimacy by NIV-bashing persons.

    I believe the KJVs are God's Holy Written Word: inerrant
    and preserved by God for the 17th century (1601-1700) English Reader
    (KJV1611 Edition), for the 18th century (1701-1800) English
    Reader (KJV1769 Edition), and for the 19th century (1801-1900)
    English Reader (KJV1873 Edition).

    I believe the NIV is God's Holy Written Word: inerrant
    and preserved by God for the 20th Century (1901-2000)
    English Reader.

    I beleive the HCSB (Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/)
    is God's Holy Written Word: inerrant and preserved by God for the
    English reader of the 21st Century (2001-2100).
     
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    You are welcome.


    And Amen Brother Keith M -- Preach it! :thumbs:
     
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    I was commenting off of the OP. It didn't mention what you are saying so i wasn't sure where it was going. thanks for clearing it up.
     
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    I was not implying that the KJV causes cults. I use the KJV almost exclusively. I just get sick and tired of people saying the NIV or other MV's are the cause of the cults and other problems. When the apostle Peter said this:

    2 Peter 3:15-16 (NIV)
    15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    the KJV, NIV, or any other modern Bible translation did not exist. So, we see that the problem of cults generally is not the Bible translation they use. It is that they wrestle and distort the scriptures.
     
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    Amen, Brother TC -- Preach it! :thumbs:
     
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    Cults find distorting the KJV much easier because of its archaic language (not a slight, but a statement of truth). MVs use more updated laguage, and so are harder to twist.

    If people don't understand a word or words, or that meaning may have changed drastically over the years, a man will be able to spin gullible people in any direction he wants. Most preachers/pastors stop and clarify what a word or phrase measn in the KJV... cultists do the ame thing, but give their own meanings.
     
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    If anybody could assert the claim that the NIV was in fact a primary or founding text, and could provide facts to support such a claim... would we not hear "SEE SEE I TOLD YOU ITS WAS EEEEEEVVVILLLLLL!!!

    The OP is silly and cannot lead to any viable conclusion that would put the NIV in a poor light or good one.
     
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    I am not sure if currently or historically a translation or text could be used to start a cult. Though, some would certainlly lend themselves to proven some cults position.

    For example, the most common example, the JW's translation and use of John 1:1.

    Perhaps some texts that are significantly degraded could be used to quite a degree. I am not talking about changes such as translating a Greek word "By" instead of "in", but major doctrinal differences.

    I think most cults get their perverted ideas and then find a text to prove it rather than finding a perverted text and using that.

    So, in short, I do not believe most translations or texts could be used to start a cult, but some certainly lend themselves to supporting a cult's position.
     
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    Sadly, most of the major cults were founded using the KJV. Many of them still acknowledge it as an acceptable version.

    What does this mean? Nothing, except that man can take the word of God and pervert to suit their POV.

    Other than the cult translations themselves, I don't know of any MVs that are used by the major cults.
     
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    Maybe the question shoulda been, "How many FALSE DOCTRINES have been made by misuse of the KJV?"
     
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    :) How many FALSE DOCTRINES have been made by misuse of ANY VERSION?
     
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    How many FALSE DOCTRINES have been made without the use of ANY VERSION?

    :laugh: :wavey:
     

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