Which is it -- global warming, or ice age?

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  1. elijah_lives

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    Clinton: Climate change is the world's biggest worry

    "First, I worry about climate change," Clinton said in an onstage conversation with the founder of the World Economic Forum. "It's the only thing that I believe has the power to fundamentally end the march of civilization as we know it, and make a lot of the other efforts that we're making irrelevant and impossible."

    Clinton called for "a serious global effort to develop a clean energy future" to avoid the onset of another ice age.

    I'm confused. Do we worry about global warming, or another "ice age?"
     
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    Both, we are experiencing both.

    We are living in an ice age, but ice ages tend to last millennia. Within the ice ages, there are periods of warming, which we are currently experiencing, and periods of glaciation (which are miscalled "ice ages").

    However, our immediate concern and danger would have to be the current global warming. We should try mitigate it as much as we can. Stability should be our goal.
     
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    And what's to stop us from over-shooting, like the Federal Reserve does with interest rates? Especially, when it is based on (possibly-flawed) models, incomplete data collection, and conjecture? Our scientific models today are entirely different from those promulgated just 20 years ago; why would you assume that man's record with models has suddenly changed?

    Don't get me wrong -- as a farmer, I spend thousands of dollars of my own money, planting trees (I am reforesting 30% of my farm). But we should not proceed with economically-depressing changes based on "models." We should, I think, move away from a petrol-based economy (I like what Brazil has done).
     
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    I would agree, if it exists at all.

    Supposed experts in the field seem to be deeply divided about the subject themselves.
     
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    There has yet to be any definitive proof that mankind's industrial activity is contributing in any substantive way to the global warming that is occurring, much less being the cause of it.
     
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    This illustrates the silliness of this argument. Both? 15 years ago it was Ice Age. Last year it was Global Warming. Now it is somehow both, simultaneously. Next year, we might call it "global lukewarmity."

    SINCE, if I follow this reasoning, global thermal events are cyclical, then...just wait for the next cycle.

    Not to mention that we have NO empirical observations for 99% of the Earth's life (and if you're an "old earth" person, much higher %age). This stuff has likely gone on for centuries, with no help from us.
     
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    Is that really so difficult to understand? Or is it just more fun to ridicule? Yes, both, simultaneously.

    Yes, you seem to understand that global thermal events are cyclical, but do you understand the length and breadth of these cycles? Do you comprehend that within the broader cycles there can be variations?

    Far more than centuries and yes, with no help or hinderance from us.

    But we are here now and there are definite limits to what climates we can tolerate or thrive in. In the long run - millions of years - there is probably little we can do, but in the short term - centuries - we can and do affect our climate.
     
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    Nowhere near the effect of belching, spewing volcanoes.
     
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    No ridicule is meant at all...I just think this is a dangerous position to take. If it is a moderate position--conserve, don't litter or pollute--that's an excellent plan. But the radical fringe take the idea that "Man is changing the climate"--a tenet that has ABSOLUTELY NO basis in empirical fact--and wants to turn back the clock.

    A great example: In Africa, health officials are BEGGING for the return of the dreaded "DDT" spraying. Why? Because in the years after DDT was banned, deaths from malaria rose an average of 400 percent (Nicolas Kristof, New York Times).

    Junk science can cause problems...

    No disrespect meant to you, daisy, I just disagree with your position.
     
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    It is a fact that the climate is warming. We are now seeing the early effects. And the warming trend began at the same time as the industrial revolution and the emission of large amounts of CO2.

    But we don't really know how much it's contributing, or even on what part of the cycle we happen to be on.

    Bottom line? We're betting that it won't matter, with the only Earth we have.

    This seems a tad foolish to me.
     
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    [​IMG]

    My goodness this has finally been settled this year after years of answering the earth is flat
    people.

    It's getting warm out there.

    and yes we had something to do with it as in billions of tons of junk from fossil fuels...we
    were a slow burn Krakatoa but with same affects
    we are changing the temp.

    One of many stories that will be reporting on global warming..get ready
     
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    No we aren't AP, we are not capable of altering weather or climate. And the Bible speaks to the "young earth" position only and that's not enough time for any of these man caused postulations to have any creadence.
     
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    That's true, if you consider a desert and a rainforest to have the same cliimate and weather.
     
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    I believe we can affect the earth by not taking care of it; but I also believe God's design is capable of healing itself with little help from us. We're supposed to be good stewards of God's Creation, but God put that oil under Alaska and out in the Gulf of Mexico for us to use.
     
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    Looks like an ice age, according to Scientist predicts 'mini Ice Age'

    ST. PETERSBURG, Russia, Feb. 7 (UPI) -- "A Russian astronomer has predicted that Earth will experience a "mini Ice Age" in the middle of this century, caused by low solar activity.

    Khabibullo Abdusamatov of the Pulkovo Astronomic Observatory in St. Petersburg said Monday that temperatures will begin falling six or seven years from now, when global warming caused by increased solar activity in the 20th century reaches its peak, RIA Novosti reported.

    The coldest period will occur 15 to 20 years after a major solar output decline between 2035 and 2045, Abdusamatov said.

    Dramatic changes in the earth's surface temperatures are an ordinary phenomenon, not an anomaly, he said, and result from variations in the sun's energy output and ultraviolet radiation. "

    Guess I better start building up a lot of firewood...
     
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    The skiing's gonna be great.
     
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    The gurus on www.CoasttoCoastAM.com claim that the seas are warming due to underwater volcanic action and the land is cooling.
     
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    There you have it! Hillclimber has decreed that the earth is young and that man has had virtually no effect on the climate. Of course, if hillclimber is wrong in his biblical interperation...nah, he can't be wrong he's always right. :rolleyes:
     
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    The earth is young, we do not affect the climate,and God will destroy it, despite your efforts to stop him.
     
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    There you have it! Hillclimber has decreed that the earth is young and that man has had virtually no effect on the climate. Of course, if hillclimber is wrong in his biblical interperation...nah, he can't be wrong he's always right. :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]hillclimber is correct about the young earth even if he did misspell "credence". :D
     

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