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Which is preserved?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Precepts, Mar 16, 2004.

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  1. Precepts

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    1. In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth

    2. God, in the beginning, created the heaven and the earth

    3. God created the heaven and the earth in the beginning

    4. The heaven and the earth were created by God in the beginning


    Any # 1,2,3,4 or all?
     
    #1 Precepts, Mar 16, 2004
  2. Orvie

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    Hi Precepts, welcome back. I'm not sure I understand your point, but all four say the same thing, except different word order. I am interested in the point you're making.
     
    #2 Orvie, Mar 16, 2004
  3. Johnv

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    The preservation is in the message that God, who created the heavens and the earth, was present in the beginning. The text itself is not what is intended to be preserved. So I'd say "all".
     
    #3 Johnv, Mar 16, 2004
  4. Dr. Bob

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    Well, since God NEVER PROMISED to "preserve" His precious Word in English, the issue is moot.

    Your choices, sadly, were all in ENGLISH! The only possible correct option is NONE OF THE ABOVE.

    Unless you HAVE a verse that says God would preserve His Word in English . . and what version . . why not ask a legitimate question?
     
    #4 Dr. Bob, Mar 16, 2004
  5. Precepts

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    So, are you now saying we can't know the Word of God in English? Whether you agree to the legitimacy of the question or not, well, is ill-legitimate, but the question is relevant.

    Isn't the translation of the Hebrew relevant in the English? Preserved?

    Funny that Ps 12:7 says "keep", in the KJB, in English, huh? Keep. Preserve. Synonymous? KJB does too say that God preserved His Word in English, right THERE! [​IMG]

    Why is it so sad that we give choices to this question in English? Would you like the Word of God to be hid from the English speaking people? Do I need to ask this same question in Hebrew?


    א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.



    Didn't God create the heaven and the earth in the beginning? Do I HAVE to understand Hebrew to know whether or not He did?
     
    #5 Precepts, Mar 16, 2004
  6. Johnv

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    Gee, Precepts, and all this time I thought you were just wondering what people thought about choices 1-4. I didn't realize you had an agenda.
     
    #6 Johnv, Mar 16, 2004
  7. Ed Edwards

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    /self-censored/
     
    #7 Ed Edwards, Mar 16, 2004
  8. RaptureReady

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    So Johnv, do you still believe that Genesis 1 was not written to be a factual historical account?

    What about believing that Genesis 1 is non-literal truth, rather than literal fact?

    How can you believe the Bible if you don't believe what is written is truth?
     
    #8 RaptureReady, Mar 16, 2004
  9. Johnv

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    None of that has anything to do with the topic. Kindly quit with the bait and switch.
     
    #9 Johnv, Mar 16, 2004
  10. RaptureReady

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    My point was that how can you believe God created the heavens and earth if you don't believe Genesis 1?
     
    #10 RaptureReady, Mar 16, 2004
  11. Ed Edwards

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    The important things God repeats over
    and over again. Please don't make your
    doctrine on one verse or one comic book.

    Psalms 33:6 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    The Lord created the heavens by his command, the sun, moon, and stars by his spoken word.

    Psalms 33:9 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    When he spoke, the world was created; at his command everything appeared.

    Psalms 74:16 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    You created the day and the night; you set the sun and the moon in their places;

    Psalms 89:12 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    You created the north and the south; Mount Tabor and Mount Hermon sing to you for joy.

    Psalms 90:2 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    Before you created the hills or brought the world into being, you were eternally God, and will be God forever.

    Psalms 96:5 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    The gods of all other nations are only idols, but the Lord created the heavens.

    Psalms 102:25 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    long ago you created the earth, and with your own hands you made the heavens.

    Psalms 104:19 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    You created the moon to mark the months; the sun knows the time to set.

    Psalms 104:30 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    But when you give them breath, they are created; you give new life to the earth.

    Psalms 119:73 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    You created me, and you keep me safe; give me understanding, so that I may learn your laws.

    Psalms 139:13 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb.

    Psalms 148:5 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    Let them all praise the name of the Lord! He commanded, and they were created;

    Pr 3:19 (GNT = Good News Translation)
    The Lord created the earth by his wisdom; by his knowledge he set the sky in place.

    [​IMG]
     
    #11 Ed Edwards, Mar 16, 2004
  12. Precepts

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    So now we all know ed can do a word search
     
    #12 Precepts, Mar 16, 2004
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    I answered Father Dr. Bob Griffin. Are my questions going to be left unanswered? Gee?
     
    #13 Precepts, Mar 16, 2004
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    None of that has anything to do with the topic. Kindly quit with the bait and switch. </font>[/QUOTE]What'sa matta? Can't we have a debate beginning with the " In The Beginning"?

    You should answer HomeBound, I'm dying to know!
     
    #14 Precepts, Mar 16, 2004
  15. Phillip

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    Let's put it this way, precepts. If I lived on a desert Island and could only speak and read a language that my other 4000 country men and women speak, and there was no Bible in that language, did God lie when he said he would preserve his word?

    Its not translated into MY language. Just because more people speak English than my foreign dialect, why is that different?

    WHERE is the promise he would keep it in the ENGLISH language?

    If he were to keep it in the "most" spoken language, I believe that is Spanish and its derivatives, maybe a Spanish translation is the "inspired translation"?

    Or another hypothetical... What if I spoke this small 4000 person foreign language and there were two Bibles translated by two different gentlemen (or groups) into my language. Does ONE "have" to be "inspired"--after all God said he would preserve his word? Do I have to learn English, or would it be better if I learned Hebrew in order to get closest to the original "inspired" OT?

    Do you think there is an "inspired" translation in EVERY language on earth? WHY ENGLISH? WHY? WHY? WHY? Why do we English speakers get such a gift (an inspired translation) and other languages don't. I don't get it!!?? :confused:

    [ March 16, 2004, 11:24 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]
     
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  16. Ed Edwards

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    I'm praying God will help
    you remember tomorrow what
    you learned today [​IMG]
     
    #16 Ed Edwards, Mar 16, 2004
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    Precepts - We will all just wait until you want to type coherently and give one verse that says that God has preserved His precious Word in ENGLISH.

    And wait.

    And wait.
     
    #17 Dr. Bob, Mar 16, 2004
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    Phillip, nice post.
     
    #18 ScottEmerson, Mar 17, 2004
  19. gb93433

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    The Hebrew translated more literally reads, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." So I would pick none of your choices. In the Hebrew text the word for heaven is plural.

    However the KJV does follow the LXX tradition.
     
    #19 gb93433, Mar 17, 2004
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    Some are preserved like concrete: All mixed up and permanently set.
     
    #20 gb93433, Mar 17, 2004
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