Which Romney?

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  1. Jack Matthews

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    Romney, running for governor of Massachusetts:
    "I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."

    Romney, as governor of Massachusetts, signing into law a ban on assault weapons opposed by the NRA:
    (They are)instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

    Romney, as governor of Massachusetts, "The individual mandate in the state health care bill is not a tax."

    The President is not the only person running for office who will have trouble running on his record.
     
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    How has Romney changed his position on any of these things?
     
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    Words, mainly, No action. Nothing to demonstrate that this is anything more than political expediency. Same thing the Republicans went after Kerry about.
     
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    What is he saying differently about these things than he previously said?
     
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    He will say and take a position that he believes will help him win an election ... current or future.
     
  6. Don

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    Just like Obama--and every other president--has.
     
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    There are no good answers to this dilemma that we the people created, no good choice at this late date. It is a matter of comparison of degrees of less harm. Lady Eagle, Targus, In the Light, and I argued for months about Romney during the primaries.

    I was actually a delegate from our state to the Constitution Party National Convention back in April in Nashville. I believe Lady Eagle was in the past. What I found was that the party is totally disorganized and lacking the motivation to make a change. There were suppose to be six delegates from our state. I was the only one that showed up. In addition, the ones that did show up seemed more interested in socializing and party time than actual grass roots work. A man named Virgil Goode was nominated for President, a former VA Congressman. Although he has some good ideas, he is not a man who can capture the imagination of the American people. Upon returning home, I was so disillusioned, I went down the next week, rejoined the Republican Party and decided to vote for Romney despite his flaws.

    I am not happy or excited about this, but this is the only chance, not a good one at that, of getting rid of Obama in November. The best we can hope for if Romney loses, is to turn the party around and nominate a decent candidate in 2016. If Romney does win, we can hold his feet to the fire and insist he run this nation by conservative values, and make sure we elect a Congress to help him see the light.

    It is really too bad we have to choose a someone based on the other candidate being so bad. There have been elections in the past, for example, that someone might have actually liked both candidates, and chose the one with the better qualities. No doubt that that in past elections that voters liked the candidate that they did not vote for better than the one that they are going to vote for this time.

    The time to do something about candidates is not at the end of the primary season. The time to do something is right after the last election. For example, the search for a decent 2016 candidate has to start right after the 2012 election, not in the summer of 2016. We cannot change the past.

    There was a documentary four years ago on PBS that discussed John Kennedy running against John McCain. To show how far the Republicans have gone down hill, Kennedy's positions would have been to the right of McCain's.

    If Romney does win, and does not change his core character, we will get thrashed in 2016, and have accomplished nothing. The best example I can think of for a conservative booting out a moderate liberal President is the election of 1980, when Reagan sent Carter home. That was probably the last conservative we have nominated.
     
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    Pretty much sums it up. And this is why I keep telling people who say that he is a "moral man" and they can look past his worshiping a false god that his deception goes hand in hand with the deception of the one he TRULY worships.
     
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    Absolutely correct. But Christians have got to stop helping to send the country to hades in a handbasket and then wondering why things are so bad.

    The GOP keeps putting up losers as their candidates. Romney will lose just like McCain lost.

    Why? Because the GOP keeps running lite-weights who just aren't exciting the base. When you feel like you're settling, expect to get yur but kicked in the general election.
     
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    Which Romney?

    The one that's not Barak Obama.:thumbsup:
     
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    The one that's not Barack Obama only appears to not be Barack Obama when it's politically expedient.
     
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    What he said before doesn't matter...remember, he's the etch a sketch candidate! Bigger flip flopper than Kerry.
     
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    Not that I plan to vote for Romney, but you zero heads should be quiet about flip-floppers. That is, until the wars are over, the patriot act is done away with, and Gitmo is closed.
     
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    Since the beginning of his campaign for president, I'd like to see a detailed list of what Romney has flip-flopped on.

    Then we can compare to Obama's list, a few of which Bro. Curtis has already mentioned.
     
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    I agree with Don.

    So far all the OP author has offered is generalities.
     
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    Here we go:

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/05/12/romney_urges_changes_to_stem_cell_bill/

    Back in 2008:

    http://aboutmittromney.com/pro-life-endorsements.htm#statements

     
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    :laugh: What candidate makes it a point to flip flop DURING a campaign? I for one never intended to vote for the anti-Christ Obama so I don't particularly care what he flip flopped on.

    I would have liked to vote for a Christ-loving true conservative who over the long haul has shown conviction. That would not be Romney. :laugh:
     
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    Lady Eagle's post is pretty interesting, and it actually proves the political expediency charge, if, in fact, everything she has posted is authentic. I'm not sure whether that would make him an etch-a-sketch President or a weather vane President, but I sure hope it leads to his not being President. Kind of like Bush. Talked about being pro-life for the fourteen years he served in public office, yet when he left both executive positions, abortion was more legal and widespread than it was when he took office. That's what happens when your state supreme court justices and the ones you appoint to the federal Supreme Court are not pro-life.

    Oh, where's the third party when you really need it?
     
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    How so?

    So far you have provided nothing to support your OP.
     
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    I would rather have a Romney for president than a term of obama unleashed. We KNOW obama is pro-death and was for partial birth abortion (where they stick a scissors into the unborn baby's skull and suck out its brains while it is still in the womb) back when he was an Illinois senator.

    We also know that through obamacare, he is furthering the abortion agenda, infringing on religious freedom. (which is all pretty sick, considering abortion is really black genocide since most abortions are performed for blacks, according to statistics).

    And whether one believes in the "death panels" of obamacare or not, the fact is that abortion and end of life are both based on eugenics. In fact, the founder of Planned Parenthood (Margaret Sanger) was a proponent of eugenics.

    We also know that obama has finally admitted that he is for same sex marriage and is seeking to destroy our military by doing away with the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and in fact, our military just hosted it's first coming out party for gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgenders, under the new obama policy.

    We also know that the obama administration DOJ is more corrupt than any DOJ in my lifetime - Fast and Furious, not prosecuting the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, and more. The present DOJ does not uphold the Rule of Law.

    We also know that obama has no regard for the 3 separate branches of government because he circumvents Congress to push his agenda in spite of what the Constitution states.

    We also know that obama has no business experience but is a great student of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, and that Mitt Romney has a proven track record of leadership, both in business, saving the Olympics, and as a Governor of a State.

    Mitt Romney has given his own personal testimony about when he "saw the light about abortion." You can find it if you google.
     
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