Which should take priority?

Discussion in 'Pastoral Ministries' started by Paul1611, Jun 11, 2006.

  1. Paul1611

    Paul1611
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2005
    Messages:
    107
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am a 25yr old man w/ a wife and 3 kids. I know that God has "called" me to preach, and has placed a strong desire in my heart to be a pastor one day. I have a strong desire to serve God in my local church. As a matter of fact I have had plenty of opporunity to do so. My schedule is something like this:
    Sunday am = bus route, teaching teens sunday school, fill in in junior church. take bus kids home.

    Sunday pm = teach teens in "pro-teens" class
    Tuesday = visitation w/ pastor or other brothers
    Wednesday= church
    Some Fridays = teen activities w/ other area churches.
    Saturday am = supposed to visit "bus kids"
    not to mention working 40 hours a week to support my family and trying to work on a degree in Bible College (distance learning). With all of that said here is my problem. The Bible College that I am enrolled in currently ( I am in my 1st year) turns out to be a "degree mill", just an easy way to get a degree. It is not challenging or really teaching me anything. If I continue with this college I have no problem keeping up with my duties at church. But I know that this college isnt going to help prepare me for the pastorate. But if I go with an accredited college/seminary I know that the studies are going to be tougher and consume more time, which means less time to serve at church. So should serving in my local church take priority over a good Bible College/seminary? Or should I let some of the ministries go and concentrate on my studies?
     
  2. TaterTot

    TaterTot
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    I think this is a dilemma many ministry families face. We have faced it as well. All I can tell you is that God equips when He calls, and that He provides as well. The seminary classes I took while serving a church made more sense and I was able to implement the things I was learning immediately, and not file them for later use. It was the same way for my husband. I know it sounds difficult, and it is, but living near or at a seminary is so well worth the sacrifice. Its something to pray about...
     
  3. LeBuick

    LeBuick
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    11,537
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with Brother Tater, pray on it and let the LORD lead you through this time.

    It is important that we as Christians go through these times so the LORD can show us he is GOD. Also, don't waste time or fund a school that won't benefit you or the saints and I pray the LORD will make all things come together for good...
     
  4. Trotter

    Trotter
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/6412.jpg>

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2003
    Messages:
    4,815
    Likes Received:
    0
    Just remember... God's timetable is not our timetable.

    That is the hardest lesson for me to learn... mainly 'cause I still haven't got it through my thick head.
     
  5. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    :laugh: Snicker :laugh:

    Oh yeah, BTW, Brother Tater is actually a Sister.:smilewinkgrin:

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  6. TaterTot

    TaterTot
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    LOL, guess I need to change my picture so my beard isnt showing. :p
     
  7. LeBuick

    LeBuick
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    11,537
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yea, that's what I said. Who changed that to Brother? LOL


    Sorry my sister, it was a mistake of the mind not the heart.
     
  8. PastorSBC1303

    PastorSBC1303
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Messages:
    15,125
    Likes Received:
    0
    I would say take the time and energy to equip yourself properly in a good seminary. You can do that and still serve in a local church. I did that and many others have as well. It is not easy, but sometimes the things God calls us to are not easy, but they are worth it.

    Brother Tater, ha ha, that was good :) Thanks for the laugh.
     
  9. shannonL

    shannonL
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2005
    Messages:
    686
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sounds to me like you need to quit spending so much time at church and more time at home with the family regardless of whether you change schools or not.
    You lose your family and you can forget about ministry. The family is your first ministry.
    Do not let your pastor or your other brethern lay a guilt trip on you because your not at the churchouse every night.
    Sounds to me like you come from a Jack Hyles type of church.
    Don't be some preacher's "preacher boy" or "puppet". There are some things that we need to seek alot of council on. Yet OTOH the future of your life and the life of your family rests upon your shoulders. Some decisions we have to make we must make on our own resting fully on a answer from God and Him alone.
    If your pastor is pushing you to be at the church for every single function he is not thinking of your family. I would take his advice with caution if that is the case.
    Did your preacher refer you to this school? IF he did and your already seeing the light about the school this may also give you insight to the philosophy of ministry of your pastor.
    The fact that your not at peace with the school that your pastor referred you to then this could be a indicator within its self that you need to relocate to a Bible college at work part time etc... and get away from the situation your in. Be your own man.
     
  10. MRCoon

    MRCoon
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2006
    Messages:
    439
    Likes Received:
    0
    I would ask what do you expect the college to teach you? Do you just need a degree [since that seems to be a requirement to be a full-time Pastor these days]? I have learned more about how a church functions by being involved in a local church than by being taught by a guy in a classroom (or on a DVD) who has not or is not currently working in the local church. Never forget that a large % of teachers are teaching because they failed/quit at the ministry and a large % are teaching because they feel this is a calling instead of being in the ministry and sadly a smaller % are teaching and serving currently as a pastor. If you really want to learn practical things about being a pastor then continue to be involved as much as possible in the local church. I too am seeking my degree online and while not at a degree-mill type of school my focus is on completing the program period and letting God train me locally and through personal Bible study. What does your wife think of your current situation? Does she support you? Does she want you to do something else? I'm 36 and have been serving part-time in the Lord's work for many years and so my family is comfortable with my situation. Now I'm not sold on a married guy with a family of moving away to a Bible College for the sake of going to get a degree especially if that man is actively serving at his local church. What is your pastor's advice? Do you have another senior christian brother to seek advice from? And what do they say? My father is retired from the ministry and he was a Bible College type of guy but now he says he is a realist and says local churches should train their people more instead of letting these big churches/colleges take and train the best and the brightest of a local church. Pastors should train and mentor more and there is nothing wrong with having "Preacher Boys"...as a licensed preacher I'm a preacher boy being mentored by my pastor and as a youth director I have young men that I'm mentoring specifically for future service whether as SS teachers or preachers or whatever. IMO, a degree is important for showing the maturity and commitment to complete something but it is not important in showing qualification or proper training, especially for the ministry.

    MOST IMPORTANT - as was mentioned early don't sacrifice your family for the sake of ministry too many nowadays focus on serving so much that they lose their families...Jesus has always been an example of balanced service!!
     
    #10 MRCoon, Jun 15, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 15, 2006
  11. bapmom

    bapmom
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2005
    Messages:
    3,091
    Likes Received:
    0
    as a couple have mentioned not losing your family, I have a suggestion in that area.

    According to the schedule you posted you have several opportunities to include your family in your ministries. Your Tuesday visitation does not always have to be with your pastor or a brother in the church.......your wife can be your visitation partner. If you have pre-school kids, get your stroller out and take 'em with sometimes. If they are all in school, then no problem!
    Also, you can do this same thing visiting bus kids on Saturday. In fact, many ladies feel that it is very important for them to be involved with their husband's bus ministry. The bus kids need to see a Godly man and wife team working together for God. They also need to see your interaction with your own children, and your children need to be involved somehow in the ministries you are doing. They need to see where the bus kids are coming from, and they need to be a part of ministering to them.

    Serving WITH your family is THE best way to not lose your family because of your ministry.
     
  12. John of Japan

    John of Japan
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2005
    Messages:
    12,212
    Likes Received:
    192
    When new missionaries come over, and even before then if I meet them in the States, I tell them that their first two years here should be concentrated primarily on Japanese language study. If I had a young missionary in my church while he was in language school, I would make sure he got out on evangelism once a week, and I might give him an English Bible study to teach. That would be it. Only that. Why? He is building a foundation for the future!

    I recommend the same for you. Cut back on some of those ministries and concentrate on your studies. They will be useful to you hopefully for decades in the future! After you graduate from college and maybe even get that master's, you can learn the ropes and how to do various ministries by being a youth or assistant pastor for a few years--call it an internship.

    It is hard to tell what you mean by a "degree mill." Just because a college is not accredited does not make it a degree mill. But if you really believe this, get on your knees, pray about the good IFB accredited colleges out there, and see how God will lead you.
     
  13. Paul1611

    Paul1611
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2005
    Messages:
    107
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks for all of the input and help. It turns out that my pastor has asked an intern to come down and help out at the church. This young man just graduated in May from the same college my pastor did, and he is going to be taking over the Sunday School class and "Pro-teens"class so he can get some experience. Which takes quite a bit of the load off of me not having to come up with 2 messages a week. I didnt even mention anything to my pastor about how I was feeling, it all just kind of worked out. All I had to do was pray. Thanks again.
     
  14. John of Japan

    John of Japan
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2005
    Messages:
    12,212
    Likes Received:
    192
    Great, Paul1611! Keep on keeping on for Jesus.:thumbs:
     
  15. Hawaiiski

    Hawaiiski
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2006
    Messages:
    70
    Likes Received:
    0
    Paul1611, if you don't mind me asking, which school are you enrolled in?
     
    #15 Hawaiiski, Jun 27, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 27, 2006

Share This Page

Loading...