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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by SaggyWoman, Oct 17, 2008.
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Any sin keeps you out of heaven if you have not been redeemed by grace through faith in Christ. But actually, we all deserve hell because we cannot not sin. Man's natural destiny is hell, not heaven.
As for babies and very young children - I believe they are saved by grace, as we are, but they are too young for faith (as far as we know).
As for the "unpardonable sin" -- this term is actually not in the bible. Jesus said all could be forgiven except the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. This had to do with those who witnessed the miracles of Jesus and ascribed them to Satan. I do not believe this can happen today because we are not seeing Jesus walking around on earth performing miracles. This is something that applied to those at that time (many others have this view).
If this can act can be done today, then it is by an unbeliever who is already rejecting Christ.
Yep - I'll echo Marcia:
Any sin will keep you out of heaven. All sin will keep you out of heaven. Just being a human being will keep you out of heaven.
Unless you've been washed by the blood of the Lamb.
I agree. Any and all sin keeps everyone out of heaven. For the christian there is no sin that can keep them out of heaven, they have been washed clean by the blood of Jesus and are covered with His righteousness.
If I offend in only 1 point, I am guilty of all.
God's mercy to me, a sinner by nature/nurture, keeps me from the hell I deserve. And God's grace gives me eternal life in glory. And both these are bestowed on me through the agency of the blood of Christ Jesus and His righteousness imputed to my account.
There is now (because of the above) no possibility of condemnation, no matter what my sin might entail. God will never see ANY sin of mine; He sees only the perfect righteousness of His Son in its stead.
Well, any sin not repented of will send you to hell. I do wonder however about the scripture that says "there is a sin, NOT unto death." I have heard no good answer for that. Everyone seems to gloss over it, but the fact it says it is a "sin", yet it says this sin is not unto death. When scripture says, the wages of sin is death.
Read the following scripture closely. It says all unrighteousness is sin, AND there is a sin not unto death. Seems it is talking of two different kind of sin.
1Jo 5:17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
When I was a child, a story floated around about a man who went out and looked up towards heaven and "cursed God", and fell dead. I am not sure that there is not blasphemy against the Holy Ghost now.
The only sin that will keep you out of heaven is the sin of disbelief.
The devil not only believes, he knows. Think he will be in heaven? :tonofbricks:
I've heard that women wearing pants has kept some out of Heaven. Anyone who reads a version besides the KJV may also be on the fence.
God did not set forth to redeem him or the angels who fell with Him - only man.
So even if desired to there is no provision made for his salvation.
He still believes:
The statement was, unbelief will keep you out of heaven, which is true, but leaves a sour taste in the mouth, if not explained, as if sin does not matter. So, the devil does know and believe, and sin does matter and if not repented of, will send you to hell, and we should be teaching the whole word of God.
The whole Bible is about "not sinning" and we say "just unbelief". I say, preach the word.
Ecc 12:13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
Act 19:15And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
But what you are failing to understanding is that the 'belief' is in the finished work of Christ to save. Not just believe Jesus is God but what Jesus did was suffient before God to satify the penalty of my sin. It is to believe in what Christ has done.
Thus scriptures statement - believe and be saved.
I agree - Preach the word but we should preach the whole council if we do.
Salvation is not for the devil. He doesn't believe that Christ died for HIM. Because Christ didn't...
Just having belief that Jesus was born of a virgin
Lived a sinless life, died on the cross, and rose again is not enough to get saved... like you said, the devil believes this...
A person must believe Christ did it for that person...
That is why it is a personal salvation.
The only think that will keep a person out of Heaven is disbelief that Christ died for that person.
Keeping the law is works...
Anything short of trusting ONLY the complete works of Christ is not true salvation...
If a person believes they must do something... such as keep saved... they are not saved to begin with because their COMPLETE trust is not in Jesus... it is in their ability to repent of every sin.
Either a person trusts Christ COMPLETELY... or they will go to Hell.
I know a lot of pew sitters that are basing their salvation on their prayers of repentance they pray every night... and one day unless they come to a saving relationship with Jesus, they will go to Hell.
All because they didn't have a completely trusting faith in Jesus Christ!....
The only sin that keeps a person from Heaven.
Wrong, all sin was taken upon the body of sin/ Jesus Christ.
The sin nature unforgiven is what sends men to hell.
Adam was created with the sin nature, else he could never have sinned/it wasn't in his nature.
Adam was created innocent of sin. Sin is an intentional act in disregard of the Law; whether the Law was yet given or not. God commanded Adam not to eat of that tree.
Ignorant actions devoid of guilt are not punishable, this cannot be said about sin. Concluding there to be actions without knowledge of sin to be punishable by eternal death is denying the effectual workings of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost works conviction into the heart of the believer due to knowledge of sin. The innocent of knowing the ramifications of sin are still innocent due to their ignorance else there is no justice for the punishment of their actions.
Once being taught the wrong for those actions, one is then accountable for their actions.
Rejecting Jesus Christ as the Son of God.
Those who have never heard of Christ in the Gospel will not go to eternal torment because they have rejected Jesus Christ.One has to know about someone to reject.
Those who have never heard will be condemned for their sins.The first and second chapters of Romans deals with this.
TT,you have to rethink your position.A person isn't saved based on that person believing that Christ died specifically for them.A person has to come to grips with the fact that their sins separate them from a thrice-Holy God.In the Person of Jesus Christ as the perfect Lamb of God He died for sinners.One doesn't come to a saving knowledge of Christ by "knowing He died for me".That knowledge comes later.The important thing is that the sinner realizes their estrangement from God and that Christ is their only hope.Their confidence for salvation rests on Christ alone being their sin-bearer.
I am not sure where our differences are.. that is what I meant...
I was addressing the fact that Satan can never have this type of confidence.. because Jesus didn't die for him.
You have contradicted yourself.Either Adam was created with a sin nature or created innocent of sin.The latter is biblical.Your earlier statement is not Scriptural.