Which would you die for? - Take 2

Discussion in 'Bible Versions/Translations' started by Rufus_1611, Mar 24, 2007.

  1. Rufus_1611

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    **Thread Rules**
    1. Please contain opening responses to the questions at the bottom of this post.
    2. Please stay on topic in all responses.
    3. If you have questions of a responder, please do not criticize their response in any way shape or form.
    4. Please do not criticize any Bible version position.
    5. Please do not use the term "myth" in any part of your response.
    6. If you intentionally work to get this thread closed, then may the fleas from a thousand camels infest your armpits.
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    "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:" - Revelation 6:9

    "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." - Revelation 12:11

    "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." - Revelation 20:4

    According to the above, there are Christians who at some point will be beheaded for the Word of God. The "word" or "the word of God" either has multiple meanings or multiple manifestations as this can refer to Jesus Christ...

    "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

    ...the audibilized words of God the Father, through men of God...
    "But the word of God came unto Shemaiah the man of God, saying," - 1 Kings 12:22

    ...or, I believe, the preached word as iterated from the written word...

    "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17

    Today, we receive revelation through the written word of God contained within what we know to be "The Bible". In our times and in our language, "The Bible" has become "Bibles" for there are many.

    I hesitate to say that I would die for anything, for no man truly knows until faced with that situation. However, I was pressed to admit this in another thread and in my sobriety, if I was faced with a moment where someone or someones tried to take my Bible from me, I would find this to be something worth dying for. I believe that the Word of God is found today in the Authorized or King James Version and it is this Bible which, should I be faced with no Bible and temporal life or Bible and the guillotine, I would choose the Bible.

    Questions for Conversation:

    1. Would you die for the Word of God?
    2. What is your definition of the Word of God?
    3. If the Word of God is the Bible, which Bible would you die for?
     
  2. EdSutton

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    Another KJVO thread!

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    But rule #6, the desert insult, is still funny!
    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
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    ...and we have our first rule violator :) This is not a KJVO thread.
     
  4. Keith M

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    Hi, Rufus.

    I don't think that when the Bible says folks will die for the word of God that it means just the printed word so much as it means the testimony of the gospel message. See #11 below.

    On the other hand the very next definition indicates Scripture. It is easy to see the passage could be understood either way without saying one or the other is definitely wrong.

    For those of us who believe the true church will not go through the Great Tribulation we don't believe we will have to face this possibility. If the church is in fact gone from earth during the tribulation period, it is a somewhat moot point for those of us around today - but then there will be others saved during that time period who will definitely run the risk of dying for their beliefs. Those who hold full preterist or partial preterist views see fulfillment of this death threat as having already come to pass. William Tyndale was burned at the stake for his Bible translation efforts. Others were also executed for their beliefs and their efforts to spread the Gospel message. But whether past or future, Paul offered some comfort regarding this possibility when he said...

    If indeed the passage does refer to the printed word of God, I don't think it will matter which version the Christian uses or holds dear - to the government headed by the antichrist one Bible version will probably be just as unacceptable as any other Bible version.

    As a brief aside to Ed, if the discussion is kept on topic I don't see it as being a KJVO issue. If everyone will cooperate with Rufus' request the discussion doesn't have to turn ugly at all.

    How's that for following the topic rules, Rufus? See (you can't really see but take my word for it) no fleas yet! :laugh:
     
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    1. Would you die for the Word of God?

    If you mean the truths expressed therein, I believe that I would.

    2. What is your definition of the Word of God?

    Well, Jesus is the Word made flesh- John 1:1, 14

    The Scriptures are the Word of God- Luke 24:45, 2 Tim. 3:16,17

    3. If the Word of God is the Bible, which Bible would you die for?

    It is- in all valid translations, but I would not die for a translation, but for the Truth.
     
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    "And that's all I have to say 'bout that."
     
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    Amen. The Bible never tells us anyone is martred for a physical book with the Word of God written therein. Nobody was martyred for a scroll, either.
     
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    Rufus:Questions for Conversation:

    1. Would you die for the Word of God?


    I would die for not going against it...bowing to an idol, denying Christ, etc.

    2. What is your definition of the Word of God?

    The complete collection of the Scriptures, the messages God has given to all mankind through His chosen copyists.


    3. If the Word of God is the Bible, which Bible would you die for?

    None, long as the WOG is readily available. If it meant saving the last known valid copy of the Bible, regardless of version or language, yes, I'd die for that.
     
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    1. Would you die for the Word of God?
    If need be.

    2. What is your definition of the Word of God?

    Not just a book, even though that's what the OP is trying to get at.

    3. If the Word of God is the Bible, which Bible would you die for?

    God's word is in the bible, but the bible is a book. God is much more than a book.
     
  10. franklinmonroe

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    No offense intended toward Rufus_1611, but I must logically change the order of the questions to --

    Q. What is your definition of the Word of God?
    A. Any type of God's communication with humankind.

    Q. Would you die for the Word of God?
    A. No, I don't think so. I have not found in the Scriptures the suggestion that we should. However, I would defend you--
    Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)

    Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren.(1 John 3:16)​

    Q. If the Word of God is the Bible, which Bible would you die for?
    A. Kinda irrelevant now, isn't it?
     
  11. robycop3

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    While there were some British who were martyred for having God's word in English, especially during "Bloody Mary's" reign, many more in many nations were martyred for OBEYING God's word. That's still going on today in Moslem nations.
     

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