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Which would you die for?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rufus_1611, Mar 20, 2007.

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  1. Christlifter

    Christlifter New Member

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    i AM A PRE-PRE TOO

    Even though I am a pre-mil, pre-trib also, I don't think that America is going to miss out on persecution before the Rapture. It is very very possible to happen, I don't care WHAT Tim LaHaye says!

    Go to repentamerica.org, and watch the viedo of these guys being arressted for "hate speech", and follow the "hate speech", war on terrorism, loss of privacy (A Baptist doctrine), and politics trail.

    There is a book out called "the Coming Destruction of the Baptist People". You should check it out.

    VOTE! Otherwise, it's coming faster. I was in the military, so...:praying:

    We NEEEEED HOLY GHOST CONVICTION FILLED, SIN CONDEMNING, SOUL SAVING, JESUS CHRIST EXALTING REVIVAL!

    Even though that won't stop anything, (it might?) We need it anyway!

    :jesus::godisgood::sleeping_2:
     
  2. Rufus_1611

    Rufus_1611 New Member

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    I checked out this site and watched the vids. I remember hearing about the Philly issue awhile back but it was pretty appalling to see it happen live in that video. It's an excellent example of how the freedoms of sodomites are protected today but not the freedoms of a Christian trying to walk public sidewalks and preach the gospel in Philly or SF.

    I tried to order on PrairiePress but the order failed with a 404. Amazon has it used for $39 bucks and that seems a bit steep for a used paper back. Let me know if you have some cheaper ordering suggestions.
    That'll preach.

    I believe God would heal our land if we acted on your suggestion.
     
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    Rufus_1611 New Member

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    I have no position on situations that IFB missionaries in Japan face, other than I am grateful for all missionaries and their dedication to the Lord's work.
     
  4. John of Japan

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    Rufus, this is where I see Fundamentalism changing right now. There is a growing movement (of which I am a part, since I am involved in an effort to translate the TR into Japanese) among IFBs to support Bible TR translatons into various languages. In the process, IFBs are finding we have to rethink our position on preservation, with the major question being, if only the KJV is the preserved Word of God in English, then how can someone in Japan (or one of many other countries, China immediately coming to mind) have the Word of God in their language? Or again, if there is more than one TR-based translation in a language, such as in Spanish, is only one the preserved Word of God, or are they both? How do you tell the difference Biblically? A view of preservation is needed that is both Biblical and Fundamental, yet recognizes the reality of the situation on the mission field.

    I could give specific examples of well-known Fundamentalists who are re-thinking this right now, but of course I don't have their permission. Suffice it to say, as the IFB movement becomes more and more worldwide, we simply must consider this. :type:
     
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    I would hope that God would give me the grace to suffer for His names sake it that were to be my lot. It doesn't matter what translation it is, I would by grace willingly suffer for the Word of God.

    In regards to persecuation coming to America, I personally am cautious in saying that would or would not happen. Who can know what God's purposes are for this nation in our generation? Let us be careful to assume that we know what will happen because of the current moral climate of our society.

    I believe that God can send a revival even in the darkest of times so I pray for His grace to be poured upon not just our nation, but all nations. And I take confident joy in that whatever God has chosen to do, will bring glory to His name.
     
  6. Keith M

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    The right one, of course!!!

    :wavey: :thumbs: ;) :cool:
     
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    AMEN! As I'm witnessing to them, I would use my Bible the same way Samson used the jawbone!
     
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    So you are saying that your Bible is hollowed out so that you can hide your .45 cal.? I need one like that!

    :laugh: :thumbs:
     
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    Mine is the KJB007, King James Bond version complete with machine gun, poisonous darts, and retractable blades...
     
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    I wonder why Stephen didn't use a jawbone or poisonous darts? Do you find evidence of the saints in Revelation, who loved their lives not unto death, fighting with similar instruments?
     
  11. Keith M

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    Samson used a gun????

    :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    I won't be one of those saints in Revelation, so it matters not. I don't see where we are to not defend ourselves and our families either. Martyrdom doesn't mean walking up to the gallows and putting your head in. You can die a martyr fighting for what you believe in. Jesus told those to flee to the mountains.

    God ordained David to be King. Why did he flee from Saul? Why didn't Paul and the Apostles walk into the prisons themselves without being arrested?
     
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    I submit that it is unwise to be so confident regarding God's judgment. There is a group of Christians that will be caught up and a group that will be spewed out. Pray that you may be counted worthy to be part of the former.

    "Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. - 1 Corinthians 10:11-12

    "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." - Luke 21:36

    You weren't discussing flight, you were discussing fighting with your jawbone and your KJB007. Now, if a heathen pedophile or something comes after the child of a Christian, I have no woe with giving him two to the chest, though I would pray that God would not lead us into that temptation by putting a hedge of protection around our homes and our loved ones. However, if antichrist comes to persecute you for the witness of Christ or for the Word of God, I'm not seeing a bunch of New Testament examples of how we are to fight in the flesh to preserve our lives.

    David fled as Saul was the ordained King and David would've been in a buncha trouble. David did what he could to preserve his life without taking the life of God's ordained, as David was not suicidal. I'm not arguing against flight, I'm arguing against violence when persecution comes.

    The goal was not to be persecuted but in the event they were, the objective was to stand with and for the sword of the spirit, not the sword of the flesh.
     
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    I am confident. Christ will never leave me nor forsake me. It sounds like you buy into the Millenial Exclusion garbage.
    ...and if He doesn't?
    ...so your argument is from silence.
    Paul argued for his life not only using spiritual arguments, but human reasoning and arguments, too. (his citizenship).
     
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    True, He will be with you even unto the end of the world, what your vantage point will be however, is not as definitive.

    Was I not clear?

    ???

    I don't disagree though, I don't recall him picking up a KJB007 or a jawbone.
     
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    Missed that one.

    Yes, I do. I have multiple copies of several different translations of it.

    God's word is God's word, translations notwithstanding. Trying to peg it as a single translation is trying to tell God He can only do it one way... last time I checked He wasn't taking orders from anybody.
     
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    Hey Ed. What is God's eschatological view?
     
  18. Keith M

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    Amen! God only did it one way - whether in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic. Anything after that is merely copying/translating His word. No existing English Bible version is any different than another in that they are all translations of God's word
     
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    I would even have to fight for the Jehovah's Witness' right to own a NWT; because if the government can take their Bible, then they could also take my NASB, and next it would be your KJV. Although, they cannot take the Word of God completely away from me... I've hidden some of it in my heart!

    I would attempt to regulate my fight in such a way that it would not result in loss of life, mine or others.
     
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    Speaking as a fool:
    "Trying to say that salvation is only one way, through Jesus and not through Buddha, is trying to tell God he can only do it one way... last time I checked he wasn't taking orders from anybody."

    No, actually, God said it can only be through Jesus. And God also said he is not the author of confusion. When two different translations contradict one another, they can't both be true. "Thy word is truth". So they can't both be the word of God.

    If you \believe that two contradictory translations can actually both be true, [attack om those who disagree deleted]
     
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