White House Claim of 46 Million Uninsured 'Americans' Includes Almost 10 Million Fore

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    The claim made by the White House this month that 46 million “Americans” lack health insurance is false because that number includes almost 10 million people who are not “Americans” but in fact citizens of foreign countries who happen to be present in the United States, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau.

    The claim was made repeatedly in a report published by the White House Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) on June 2 and again in an op-ed published the same day by Christina Romer, the chair of CEA.

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    if they are citizens of a forgien country, should their country provide their medical care, or they provide their own.
     
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    To include illegals is sensible because we are already paying for their health care by way of the hospital emergency room. To provide health care to these people will ultimately be a win win situation for all Americans.
     
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    Not at all.we do not have the money to provide health care for the world. They need to get their health care from home. Taxpayers should not have to work every day to provide health care for non citizens.
     
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    I didn't see "illegal" anywhere in the article. But even if I missed it, I am against providing free health care for them. As far as other non-citizens, if they want to remain citizens of their original country, then the original country should provide the funds.
     
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    From the article:

     
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    Yeah, but I thought R.S. was saying they were all illegal. Anyhoo, thanx, and I do stand by what I said.
     
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    It must also be recognized that there are many young people who do not choose to carry health insurance. It would be interesting to know how many.
     
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    I have exceeded the proverbial 3 score and 10. If God wants to euthanize me that is well and good since He tells us: "Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His Saints." However, I do object to being euthanized by the tall skinney dictator or one of his lackeys.
     
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    It would be more sensible to send illegals back to their country of origin to receive their health care there.

    What is "sensible" about being the free health care provider for anyone in the world that sneaks over the border?
     
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    Especially since Micheal Moore says our country has the worst care, seems like we'd be doing them a favor.
     
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    Many people must choose between health insurance and food. Others are denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. It would be interesting to know how many fall into these two categories as well.
     
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    It is a small percentage of the guessed number without insurance.

    As I understand it about a third of the uninsured citizens - meaning not illegal aliens - already qualify for medicaid or chips but simply have not applied.

    A modest - meaning smaller program - could easily be put togther for those with pre-exisiting conditions.
     
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    That's he point Rev... Did you know a foreigner has priority over US citizens when it comes to medical dollars? If we can insure all American's, the way I see it, the illegals will not have coverage since the government programs they use will evaporate. This will also take a huge strain off Medicaid/Medicare which should make them options when we get old.

    I genuinely don't understand the point of this thread since the 46 million number has been used by far more than the WH. Heck, the GOP has been using that number. Also, there is no dispute about the current waste from people not having primary care and don't get medical attention until they go to the emergency room.

    I am sure even you can appreciate the savings of $30/mo for blood pressure pills as opposed to waiting for them to have a stroke then having to pay all those medical bills, rehab and support for the rest of their life since they will no longer work. Same with sugar, if we can catch the diabetes early enough, we may save amputations (no job after that) and dialysis which are all very expensive. Preventive care vs emergency care is a no brainer.

    I understand the lack of desire to increase the deficit while we wait for the saving to kick in. In the spirit of Godly truth, we shouldn't twist facts to make the point. We clearly need health care, can we afford it another subject all together and is an argument that should stand on its own merits.
     
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    10% of the population is unemployed so you can count them out of your formula. Many of them have several children which multiples that 10%. There are an increasing number of minimum wage jobs that don't offer medical or any benefits. I don't know if your argument can be supported with numbers.

    Freedom, you are right. My mother has to decide on her medications or eating. We help when we can but we're not right either. She takes heart pills that cost $3 per pill and there are times she simply can't afford them. Then if her pace maker can't keep up, she ends up in the emergency room where she can then get the medication.
     
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    You might reconsider your decision not to take a job.

    I know that some at your church think that it is not dignified for the pastor to work another job - but neither is it dignified for a pastor to allow his mother to go without medications while he spends so much time on the Baptist Board.

    I suspect that the example that you have given is not unusual.

    "I don't help my family - so the government should".

    Sorry for sounding harsh - but I have a touchy spot when it comes to children not adequately caring for their elderly parents.
     
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    No problem for sounding harsh, I think your point is well made. I have no reservations because I know I do all I can. I would like to do more for Mom and I wish my four other siblings would help also. But it is what it is.

    It is not that I don't help my family so the government should, government provided health care given to fixed income seniors who worked all their lives paying into the system should have medicines affordable to those on the program. Is that too much to ask?
     
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    Daaaaaaaad Gum, OR----------you ain't ready to "kick the bucket" just yet, are you????

    I mean----------gosh------hang around for a while longer, dude!!!!!

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    Oh-----look out!!!!!!!!!!!

    Here comes "Big O" and he's got a needle in his hand with OR's name on it!!!!!!!!!!!!

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