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He most certainly does:

He criticizes the Church, he is consumed with an unchristian liberal agenda, he slanders people...he doesn't even know.

This is only true in regards to responding to solid points given in address of the hate-stirring propaganda he posts.

He needs to understand the difference of being a Christian and being a Political Religionist.

You're the only one doing that, so do you judge yourself a wicked man?

Could you quote another member that has stated their fellowship is racist and that is what their doctrine teaches?

A white supremacist would receive no better welcome here, I am sure. Any hatred that seeks to sever the unity of men through Christ is satanic. In Christ all men are equal. However, no matter what race we are there is never going to be an equality in carnal (worldly matters). Go to any country and you will find rich and poor, oppressed and oppressor.

Why do you seek to build such an atmosphere in this country? Why do you try to build such an atmosphere on this forum?

Like I said:


Acts 9:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?


Turn your attention to the Word of God instead of the garbage you seem to have immersed yourself in.

God bless.

 

On a number of forums I have been on there have been people who seek to infiltrate forums posing as Christians, whose agenda is only to pander to the Agenda of Human Secularism. Even Christians can get caught up in Political Religion and have their eyes turned away from the goal we should have: leading the lost to Christ. Most on Christian Doctrinal Discussion and Debate forums have a goal of readying themselves for that task by testing their, and others' doctrine, but, we have to be careful when it comes to the infiltrators, because they are adept at emotional manipulation and sometimes the end result is they accomplish their task by causing Christians to lose focus and self control, thus bringing reproach on their true enemy...Christ.

It's one thing for us to discuss politics from a Christian worldview, quite another to get so caught up with it that we neglect Doctrine. It is just my belief that the evils of this world can be dealt with through sound doctrine, which leads to sound practice.

Best to ignore people like that, particularly when they refuse to actually address the issues raised. I have seen some great responses to the hate-stirring charges yet they go unanswered. It would be one thing if they had an answer and dealt with the responses, but so far I have seen a blind charge despite the fact that the nonsense being spewed has been answered, and answered well.


God bless.

 

Yes:


http://www.state.gov/j/tip/what/index.htm


And I would point out that this fellow's campaign seems to center on slavery involving black people, rather than slavery as an issue in general.

Does that not suggest agenda, and hypocrisy?


God bless.

 

Actually you stir up a satanic doctrine and practice that Satan has craftily manipulated people with for millennia.

No matter the race, supremacy has been the motivator of conquest for millennia, and you can thank God Himself that you live in a country that operates differently. While slavery was an issue in our early history, and black people suffered many terrible atrocities which were caused by both blacks and whites, many of us who are white live without racial issues being a central focus.

As Christians, our central focus is Christ, and keeping Him the focus keeps us from being sidetracked in carnal matters. And when He is the focus, any participation into these matters will be profitable, rather than to perpetuate hatred.

If you're doctrine will not allow you to be honest and straightforward, you might want to step back and examine your heart.

Just my personal opinion but everyone who displays hatred for others, no matter the reason, whether it is white supremacists or closet black supremacists such as yourself...shows that if they had the power they would themselves become slavers. The irony is that they rail against people who closely resemble their hearts.

God bless.

 

Excellent analysis!:thumbs:

 

Darrell C, I am always impressed with how you handle touchy subjects. Thanx for showing up and letting your light shine.

 

Well said.

 

Hammer. Nail. :thumbs:

 

And you believe that? :laugh:

 

:laugh: Nice Dude!

 

Sorry, but white folk all over America deal with it, some positively, some negatively.

The same is true of black folk.

I interact with every race you can name and racism is never a factor, unless it is directed at myself. You see, some of us don't view other people in terms of color, but deal with people from a standpoint that is not new to human history. That is...that people are people. There are good and bad in all races.

And if you do not consider my responses, or the responses of your fellow members to be dealing with it, well, continue your campaign for Satan.

Don't fool yourself that Christ has motivated you to this ministry.

I've told you before...discrimination is color blind, Zaac.

You think white people are not discriminated against? No different than black people discriminating against black people.

As to me being white, well, as I have said several times to you (this being the first response I have seen you bother to give), that has not actually profited me as well as you might think. I am actually discriminated by white people in my trade. My company is small, so guess what, I don't receive the privileges that larger companies receive. Is that unfair? Not really, I can understand a company that sells more equipment than mine receiving more attention.

As for you being black, if you are, has that held you down? Nope.

You have.

As I have also said before, your campaign is a self-serving campaign fueled by satanic, not Christ-like desires. If you want to better yourself, read your Bible.

What's worst is I believe you simply feed the anger you have. Who instilled that in you, Zaac? Parents? Grandparents? I have always trained my nieces and nephews that racism is the game of fools. It has no place in the heart of the Christian.

And that you are a hypocrite with a satanic agenda is evident because you focus on an issue that pales in comparison with what is going on in the world today. Shall we blame white people?

Consider:

The continent of Africa is one of the most problematic regions in terms of contemporary slavery. Slavery in Africa has a long history, within Africa since before historical records, but intensifying with the Arab slave trade and again with the trans-Atlantic slave trade; the demand for slaves created an entire series of kingdoms (such as the Ashanti Empire) which existed in a state of perpetual warfare in order to generate the prisoners of war necessary for the lucrative export of slaves. These patterns have persisted into the colonial period during the late 19th and early 20th century. Although the colonial authorities attempted to suppress slavery from about 1900, this had very limited success, and after decolonization, slavery continues in many parts of Africa even though being technically illegal.


Where is your rage about this? How about the sex slave trade where millions of children are suffering abuse?

Yet here you are, safely in America...railing about something that most of us find to be trifling and a self-imposed bondage in itself. How many times have you been told that, my friend?

How about doing something useful?

And I am going to break this up in the hope that you will actually engage in discussion. People who talk at people display the fact that they have their minds set and will only focus on part of the issue. That is why we have cults. And the Cult of Political Religion is no different.


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On the contrary, what you are saying is being dealt with, not just by myself, but others here.

You want me to say there is an advantage to being white? Would that make you feel better?

Sorry, I just don't see it. That is because I don't see a difference in people. I don't think whites are smarter, or better. While circumstances impact how we grow up, that doesn't mean we all don't have the same opportunity. I grew up poor, and even now stand as average middle class, maybe lower middle class. Those who do better may have had more opportunity, for as it is said, it takes money to make money, but, we have story after story of poor people growing up to be successful. Black and white.

And you claim to be a Christian, I suppose, so how is it that a Christian can ignore a basic Christian Principle, that Christ is our central focus?

Instead of seeking to bring liberty to any man, your racism shows you have only a desire to profit blacks.

Don't try to push that off as Christianity.

I agree, however, what is plain to any who read your posts is that you are very much placing Politics before faith in Christ.

It consumes you. Don't deny it.

How about setting this to the side, just for a little, and engaging in some doctrinal discussion? It's a sincere invitation. I believe firmly that if you can just set your political zeal to the side, engage in doctrinal discussion and debate, you might just allow the Lord to work in your heart.

We see that.

You mean like the black people in Africa who are more guilty of what upsets you than the white people in America?

You don't care about slavery. You only care about penalizing those you feel committed injustice on your people. I can understand that. I myself acknowledge that racism has been and still continues to be a problem in our country, but all races are guilty, not just whites. Even among Hispanics there is racism. One group hates another because they migrate from a different area. The hatred might seem justified due to civil unrest, where one group commits atrocities against another. Someone I worked with, while a child in El Salvador, witnessed one group cut off the head of one of his people. This fellow also hates whites.

But you have a singular focus, which resembles the satanic worldview of radical Islam. The only difference is that Islam's hatred includes all races in America, unless one happens to be Muslim.

You're not going to keep people from racism with a campaign like this. The only way to remove racism from someone's heart is for them to come to an understanding of the bondage of all men. We can stop racism on an individual basis, but it will only be through the power of God.

Not more racist agenda and propaganda.


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Agreed. I guess that's why you have refused to answer my previous responses.



This is the thing, my friend...we don't change hearts.

Only God can do that.

A simple truth presented in the Bible, brought to focus in the New Testament is this: men are blind. What they do in their natural state is, well...natural. They are separated from God and in need of enlightenment. That enlightenment does not start with the sins of others, but with the individual. Until one understands the depths of their own depravity, they will never have compassion for the condition/s of others.

When we set our hearts to educate people about anything, one of two will be the power behind those ministries: God, or the individual. If we work in our own understanding and power, we shouldn't expect too much. And if we measure our goals against that which is taught in Scripture, and find that we are lacking justification, we need to examine our hearts.

So I don't expect people to listen to me. Nothing I have to say means very much. But what I do know is that the Lord can use me to speak to other people, and in the midst of that I trust He will do His convicting work.

You want to stop racism and discrimination? Then stop fighting for the side that has led this Nation away from God. And before you say that white Christians had slaves and were racist and are racist, I just ask you...

...what makes you think those people were Christians?

Have you bought into the statistical unrealities of Media knowledge? Is 3/4 of America Christian because they go to Church?

Sorry, no, but Christianity has fruit, and that fruit is not racism, slavery, discrimination. Many atrocities have been committed in the Name of Christ, and the assumption is that Christians perpetrated them. But you show me the Biblical justification for many of these, and I will, doctrinally, show you how there is none.

Just a straight-forward assessment.

Your doctrine is not Christian. Your campaign is not Christian.

Whether you are or not is not my place to judge, however, I can point out to you that you are wasting valuable time and the fruit of your efforts...

...are satanic.

Can't believe you can say that. If you are black, we can easily understand. If you are white, we can also easily understand. A lot of people feel bad for things that have taken place, but those same people also feel bad for the atrocities and tragedies that other races have suffered, and are still suffering today.

Do you?

Doesn't seem to be the case. You seem only in prospering Black Americans. Where is your compassion for the rest of the slaves that are actually in slavery as you read this?


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It would be irrelevant if you displayed a Christian attitude towards man in general.

But you make it relevant.

Is being gay irrelevant for those seeking "equal rights" as gay people?

Are you seriously going to deny the racism that fuels many "equal rights" advocates? Apparently you cannot see your own racism, but it is plain to most here, I would think. Of course, I am sure you would see that as racism itself.

You do not understand you display the same mentality that those who were racist and called themselves Christians in that past displayed. And it all centers on ignorance of the Word of God. Most of us can see all men being made one in Christ as a simplistic concept, and do not get caught up in the political religionism some, like yourself, get caught up in.

And I have to wonder, your hesitance to say plainly if you are black or white, have you bought into the result of racism yourself? Does being black, if you are, make you feel less of a man? It shouldn't. Nor should there be the opposite, lol.

White or black, you are a black supremacist. Anyone striving for a particular race falls into that category.

As a Christian, who is it you're supposed to be glorifying? Who is your, and all man's true enemy?

Not sure how you can say that, I am dealing with the wickedness coming out of you, who say you are a follower of Christ.

Funny how you point the finger at others when you are just as guilty.

I agree. I think we have to keep in mind that the Lord spoke of the many and the few. Statistics don't agree with that.

That is why it is so important, Zaac, to keep Christ the central focus. Instead of stirring up hatred and controversy and perpetuating race issues, you should be dealing with the true slavery that all men are faced with. Liberate a man from that slavery and then...deal with modern slavery.

But let's not live in the past. Who has kept you down? What has kept you from prospering in this country? Couldn't get a job? Baloney. Those who say they can't find a job usually mean "I can't find a job that I want."

And the source of that mentality is pride. "What? Me...do that?"

Well guess what, many people have had to have jobs they don't like, and most feel they are too good for their own job, and should be paid more.

And that is not a Christian mindset either. It is carnal and satanic, and again displays ignorance of God's Word.

Atrocities.

You live in a fantasy world that refuses to deal with reality. Sorry, that is just my assessment.

If you for one minute think that the discrimination that goes on today is atrocity, and set yourself on a campaign against it, well guess what: you only display a hypocritical and self-serving mentality.

Did you look at the links? Do you really equate the "plight of the black man in America" with the true atrocities being carried out every day, probably on a minute to minute basis?

Again, I invite you to doctrinal discussion, Zaac. Step away from what I see to be chains that have, if you are a Christian, placed you into a slavery that by far outweighs the slavery seen in America, and the repercussions are not just temporal, but eternal. That is not a veiled questioning of your salvation, my friend, it is a reference to those that you might be impacting for Christ which is eternal fruit not to be regretted.

We can be used of God to set men free, and that is the primary concern of the Body of Christ. Not establishing a better life here for ourselves, but seeking to establish an eternal abode for those still enslaved to sin, and the penalty of sin.


God bless.

 

Oh, so now some white people don't profit from slavery.

Glad to hear you say that, Zaac, it's a point I made in my response to you. Now we're getting somewhere.

Show me an example of prejudice or racism from someone on this board.

No, you will simply to stew in hatred and spew satanic vitriol.

You bear false witness in charging me with racism. Prejudice? Absolutely. But it has nothing to do with the color of a man's skin, but the condition of his heart.

I can tell you without question that Christ has not led you to a ministry of hatred and a campaign for social injustice. You can equate yourself with men that fought for civil rights, but you deceive yourself.

What rights do you feel need to be fought for now?

What is holding you back from attaining anything that any white person in this country could? But that's where it gets difficult, because there are whites that will not enjoy privileges that other men have. Even black men.

I don't enjoy the privileges Bill Cosby has. I'm a funny fellow as well as he, so why is it that he has more money than me? Why does Colin Powell have more influence in political arenas?

Yeah, you keep telling yourself Christ is ministering through you. Believe it.

Give me an example of someone discriminating against you here.

Unless you feel, because you're black, that no-one should oppose the nonsense you spew, well, that might explain your campaign, wouldn't it.

You're right, you clearly let others know what you think, and cannot understand why Christians would reject your doctrine.

There are forums that are better suited for Political Religionists, perhaps you might find you're message better received there.

And are you implying you feel I have tried to silence you? I have responded many times to your posts without response.

Sound like someone who doesn't want to talk with you?

Great. Ignore what is said.

Everything is irrelevant to you except your cause, right?

That includes Christianity. Only when it can conveniently fit your politics does it come up.

Answer the question.

The Work of Christ concerns salvation of souls, not reparation for past oppression.

Show me in Scripture your mandate to try to play upon the consciences of Christians?

I will agree that He hates racism, but my friend...you're the racist here. You are the reason why racism continues for some.

You suffer delusions of grandeur and diminish the work of men who actually faced oppression.

But if you want to sit around and whine about what you don't have, rather than be grateful for what you do have, that is your choice.

It seems you are looking to the white man, not God, for provision.

You have yet to show racism or prejudice on the parts of others, and hide your own.

It is satanic, no question. You live in a fantasy where God has led you to wage war on whites for oppression, racism, and prejudice. Guess what, David Koresh and Jim Jones also lived in that fantasy realm of delusion.

So did Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Medo-Persians, Greeks, and Romans.

And when we compare the events, they pale in comparison to Early American Slavery. That is not to dismiss or justify that slavery, just pointing out that you have better groups to direct this hatred towards.

But perhaps you do. I would not be the least bit surprised, if you were completely honest with yourself, that you do not hold hatred for everyone who is not black.

They did it in the Salem witch hunts as well. The fact is that people, just as you do, use Religion and Christianity as a justifier fro their agendas.

Again, you stand guilty of that which you rail at others about.


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