Who’s Right … Torture Defenders Or Critics?

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  1. poncho

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    The Senate says that torture didn’t produce any actionable intelligence.

    The CIA and a handful of those who ordered torture say that it was necessary.

    Who’s right?

    We don’t have to guess, get in a personality conflict, or engage in a partisan fight.

    There is an overwhelming consensus among top interrogation experts of all stripes …

    Read More At: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/whos-right-torture-defenders-critics.html
     
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    There is no defense for torture.
     
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    Others say it did. But , of course, they weren't interviewed. As a matter of fact, just who from the CIA was interviewed?

    Heck, just who did they interview? Anybody?
     
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    This is incorrect. The Senate did not say it. Dems in the Senate said it. There is a distinct difference.
     
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    Proof please.

    The quote is from 2011


    I do not believe that Christ would ever approve of torture. I see nothing in scripture that would indicate otherwise. If you believe Christ's words about how we are to treat our enemies you would never approve of torture."
     
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    No one was tortured! It is false to say they were. Waterboarding is not torture, Period. The democrats were fine with waterboarding after 9/11 and i doubt that any had an epiphany revealing something different.
     
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    The Daily Beast! Isn't that a left wing rag?

    I do not believe that Jesus Christ would ever approve of
    Abortion. In fact I know that He hatesAbortion and those who support and condone this slaughter of the unborn. You have aligned yourself with some very slimy characters CTB. Scripture tells us the following in Proverbs 6:16-19:

    16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    17 A proud look, a lying tongue,
    and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


    It is exceedingly hypocritical to pretend outrage over waterboarding of terrorist and then support people who celebrate the slaughter of the innocent unborn!
     
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    I don't believe Jesus would ever support Planned Parenthood but neither one of those has anything to do with what I said.
     
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    Yeah . . . I don't think people are buying that anymore. It's easy to figure out that waterboarding is only part of the techniques used to "cause pain less than death".

    It's so easy even a liberal can figure it out.
     
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    Mancow Waterboard

    Mancow Muller previously of Chicago's Big 89, WLS-AM Mancow & Cassidy show, gets waterboarded to see what it's like and shares it with listeners and viewers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RyOaFwcEw
     
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    Only the dems on the intelligence committee and they did not even interview a single member of the CIA.

    I heard Porter Goss say tonight that the charman and ranking member of both house and Senate Intelligence Committees, and that included Feinstein, were briefed on what the CIA was doing. Feinstein just got PO'd at the CIA and its payback now before the Republicans take over. What she did is equivalent to what democrat Frank Church did in the late 70's, destroy our intelligence gathering capability.
     
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    Feinstein and Pelosi both.

     
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    Lots of red herrings in this thread attempting to defend the indefensible.

    So, I am:

    1. Against abortion
    2. Against torture
    3. Against allowing people to go hungry in a rich country
    4. Allowing people to go without medical insurance in a rich country
    5. Against capital punishment considering we now know that there are innocent people death row.
    6. Rectual infusion of 'pureed' humus, pasta, nuts and raisins
    7. Diapered and and shackled in a standing position for many hours
    8. Keeping prisoners awake up to 138 hours with no rest or sleep

    And who knows what else was done to inflect pain and fear. There is testimony that prisoners would make up things hoping what they said was what the interrogators wanted to hear.
    I believe Christ would never advocate that a society follow any of the practices mentioned above. How about you?

    I am in favor of treating others as Christ taught and that includes our enemies.

    It is very slimy for a person to hold a position favoring practices such as:

    1. Water boarding
    2. Allowing a prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees Fahrenheit (10 degrees Celsius), while being regularly doused with cold water in order to increase the rate at which heat is lost from the body
    3. Forcing prisoners to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor (and/or wall), for more than 40 hours, causing the prisoners' weight to be placed on just one or two muscles.
    4. Using an hard, open-handed slap is dealt to the prisoner's abdomen. Doctors consulted over the matter advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.


    Please show me with scripture where Christ would approve of any of these methods.

     
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    The UN Convention on Torture, which Ronald Reagan signed and championed, is very clear and its definition of what torture is obviously broad and inclusive.

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    Remember:

    "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession"

    is torture. Remember:

    No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.

    Why are we still debating this?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2009/04/what-reagan-signed/202639/

    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlevi
     
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    Come to think of it, Christ never gave his approval for jails; therefore the only Christian thing - we must do away with all confinement.
     
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    That is a terrible analogy and you know it. Detaining someone for crimes is a lot different than the methods of abuse listed in the report. I don't think jailing someone and inflicting sexual abuse or kidnapping the mentally challenged relatives of suspected terrorist to use them as leverage are all that comparable and I have a hard time imagining God smiling down on these actions. Take a step back and look at what you are trying to defend.
     
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    Evidently, you are unable to grasp the point I was trying to make.
    BTW, I was NOT trying to defend anything
     
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    One cannot be against abortion and support PP the premier abortionist.
     
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    Well. apparently not anybody that could really tell them anything.


     

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