Who are the Sadducees and Pharisees?

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  1. prophecynut

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    It's unlikely that "Sadducee" is derived from the Hebrew or are they related to the priestly lineage of Zadok and Aaron. And it is doubtful that either the Sadducees themselves or others would have chosen "righteousness" as their distinctive trait since they were unpopular with the masses and in conflict most of the time with the Pharisees.

    Zadok's line served as priests until the Babylon Captivity, but was restored afterwards in the person of Joshua the son of Jehozadok (Hag. 1:1; 520 B.C.). His line continued to serve as priests until it ended abruptly when Antiochus IV deposed of Zadokite Onias III and installed Menelaus from the tribe of Benjamin as high priest from 171 B.C. to 161 B.C.

    Sadducees came into being around the time of Johathan, the brother of Judas Maccabeus (160-143 B.C.). They predominated in the Sanhedrin and the political and religious affairs of Jerusalem under the Herods and Romans. Herod II, an Edomite, ruled Jerusalem 37-4 B.C., he appointed puppet high priests in place of the Hasmonean high priests with whom the Sadducees had been associated with, which reduced their influence, as did the decline in the power of the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin, mostly controlled by the Sadducees, regained power when Judea became a Roman province in A.D. 6. Until the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 the Sadducees remained in the majority in the Sanhedrin, and the high priests were Sadducees.

    Sadducees were aristocrats who derived their power from their class and collaborated with the Roman occupiers to gain domination over others. They were discribed as "heartless" or "savage," characterized by crudity, coarseness, loudness, quarrelsome, vugarity, and violence. They denied the resurrection of the body and rejected belief in angels and spirits and emphasized the freedom of the human will over the doctrine of election. They were preoccupied with power and materialism.

    Pharisees derived their power from learning and knowledge of the Scriptures. They were depicted as refined, urbane, harmonious, and affectionate, amiable and believe in the resurrection of the body. (Similar to Zola Levitt) For most of their history, Pharisees defined themselves in opposition to the Sadducees. Josephus says that, even when in power, the Sadducees were compelled for fear of the people to concur with the Pharisees on religious matters.

    These two groups who made up the Sanhedrin were mostly in conflict with each other, they had a different temperament, reputation and essence just like their fathers Esau and Jacob. The Sadducees exhibted characteristics common to Esau and the Pharisees were like Jacob. Sadducees were Edomites and the Pharisees were their brothers.

    In January 2005 a Sanhedrin was launched in Tiberias in preparation for the third temple. Of the members, who are Jacob and who are Esau? Hard telling until you get to know them, the same identity problem we all struggle with today.
     
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    One is the trouble maker and the other is the peace maker. Which one are you?
     
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    There is only one Maker of Peace, and it is not Mercurius. The one Maker of Peace is the One who said He would bring division and strife. No friend, Christians follow neither the Sadducees nor the Pharisees. They are followers of Jesus Christ, and He is their Peace - for so says the Word, "Who is our peace".
    Don't play the Pope and make saints of the Pharisees.
     
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    What is the point of this thread? What are you trying to get at? What's the discussion?
     
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    Prophecynut, nice bit of information! [​IMG]

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    Your reply is appreciated MEE, nice to have someone speak up when they agree.

    The conclusion I came up with did not come directly from any single source, Bible versions or reference books did not give their origins with certainty and both groups were identified as Jews yet they were so different in their character. From studying OT Scriptures and web sites about Jacob and Esau I learned their traits were passed down from generation to generation and that Esau had taken on the identity of his brother Jacob.
    Esau is the bad guy and Jacob is God's chosen one.
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    Who are the Sadducees and Pharisees?

    They were called a generation of vipers, tempters, hypocrites, a wicked and adulterous generation.

    Matthew 3:7
    7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?


    Matthew 16:1-4
    1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. 3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.


    Jesus warned the disciples many times about them.

    Matt. 16:11
    How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?


    (i.e)The leaven being their doctrine.

    ......and last but not least.

    Acts 23:8 -
    For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.


    Hummmmmmm.... to sum it all up I like what Jesus said.....
    Matt. 15:14
    Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.


    I tend to lean toward what Gerhard Ebersoehn said in his post......
    Christians follow neither the Sadducees nor the Pharisees. They are followers of Jesus Christ, and He is their Peace [​IMG]
     
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    There is another race that has taken on the identity of Jacob besides the Edomite Rothschild and his descendants who are the world's financiers. In my opinion the Edomites provide money to finance revolutions, wars and the New World Order. Corroborating with the Edomites are the Ashkenazi Jews who are not Semites and have no ancestral roots to Jacob or the Land.

    Arabs and real Jews descend form Noah's son Shem from whose name comes the derivative term "Semite." However, Ashkenazi Jews are the converted descendants of Khazars and are thus mainly of Turkic extraction. Ashkenazi Jews descend from Japheth, Shem's brother, and therefore they are not Semites. Both the Ashkenazi Jews and the real descended by blood Jews, the Sephardim, share genetic traits from a common ancestor, Noah, but of the two only the Sephardim are Semites. And so it is quite ironic that these converted Khazar Jews coined the misleading and manipulative term "anti-Semite" during their long sojourn in central and eastern Europe. This is not to dispute the validity of the Khazar conversions to Judaism but rather to warn that the dire prophecies of Ezekiel apply to the Ashkenazi Jews whom the prophet referred to as Gog, their prototype descended from Japheth. The heart of the problem today is that Christian Zionists, whose support is so crucial to the Zionist state, confuse the arrival of Ashkenazi Jews in Palestine with the prophesied return of both the House Of Judah and the House of Israel. In short, the Ashkenazi Jews have usurped the name of Israel. Hence the Almighty's command to the prophet Ezekiel: "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? (38:14)" This is the great reality check. Know a tree by its fruit: apartheid walls: psychological walls; ethnic cleansing; transferrals; collective punishments; unheard-of atrocities; out and out repudiation of international law; corruption in high places; etc. etc.. The United States has put its money on the wrong horse!

    The "safety" spoken of by Ezekiel is the same "Peace and safety" of 1 Thess. 5:3 when Gog takes notice and invades Israel.
     
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    Who are the Sadducees?

    People that are sad!

    They dont believe in the Ressurection, so all that they have is what they have got when they are alive.

    Hence they are "Sad you See" [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG] Ben I almost wrote that...but I'm glad you did! [​IMG]

    Also if you listen too long to a Pharisee it will make you sadd-U-cee. ;)
     
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    I know who the Sadducees are but who are the saducers? Fallen angels maybe? Demons?
     
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    Hay I thought this was about Sadducees and Pharisees?
    Saducers????? Do you want to clarify this what you mean by this remark. [​IMG]


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    Hay I thought this was about Sadducees and Pharisees?
    Saducers????? Do you want to clarify this what you mean by this remark. [​IMG]


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    The purpose of my post is two fold. The first is word play with "Sadducees" like Ben W did, I intentionally misspelled "seducer." Sadducees were Edomites, if you read Isa. 14:12-14 and Oba. 2-4, you may be able to see their God is Lucifer, a fallen angel. The Sadducees are the seducees and Satan is the seducer. There will be no survivors of Esau after Christ returns (v. 18).
     

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