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Who are we trusting?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Daniel Dunivan, Sep 10, 2003.

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  1. Daniel Dunivan

    Daniel Dunivan New Member

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    This statement was made in one of my classes:

    "To be a Christian is to trust not only Jesus, but also the first Christians."

    What do you think?

    Grace and Peace, Danny ;)
     
    #1 Daniel Dunivan, Sep 10, 2003
  2. micahaaron

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    If the teacher meant "first christians" as Apostles and their teaching, then the statement can be considered true.

    MA
     
    #2 micahaaron, Sep 10, 2003
  3. TheOliveBranch

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    Looking at this from two angles, it could be that a Christian should trust Jesus for what he has done, and the first Christians for what they had done. They are a huge part of the NT, and had alot of things to say about Christian living. We need to trust them in that what they tell us is true.

    On the other hand, it could mean that "to be a Christian" you must trust in Christ and believe what the first Christians did in order to be saved. I had heard several "additions" to the Gospel, like you have to first believe the Bible is true to be saved, or that you have to believe there is a hell before you can be saved. What was the class topic?
     
    #3 TheOliveBranch, Sep 10, 2003
  4. Dr. Bob

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    Too many ARE trusting christians (pastors, teachers, bible interpreters) rather than trusting in the Lord. Sad.

    And anyone whom WE put on a pedestal WILL be knocked down. Nobody can take God's place without His judgment.
     
    #4 Dr. Bob, Sep 10, 2003
  5. Lorelei

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    I think the statement is false. We do not merely "trust the first Christians" we only trust what they wrote through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. We can determine easily if their statements were inspired by examining scripture against scripture. The early church often quoted scripture to prove their statements, they did not expect us to just believe them "because they said so." If we were to merely "trust" the early church in everything they did, then some were led astray by Peter. Paul had to correct Peter for forcing Gentiles to follow Jewish customs (Galatians 2:11-16). Those who were "trusting" Peter and not what the Holy Spirit spoke through Peter were clearly "in the wrong," just as Peter was.

    So we need only to trust Jesus and the Holy Spirit will lead us into truth. He will confirm what He spoke through the apostles, we need not "take their word for it." By believing the NT we are trusting the Spirit, not simply the men who penned His words.

    ~Lorelei
     
    #5 Lorelei, Sep 11, 2003
  6. Daniel Dunivan

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    It can easily be proven that many other "interpretations" of Jesus were floating around during the time of the writing of the NT and even more so the collecting of the cannon. It seems to me that we are trusting their interpretation. We are not given some esoteric knowledge about what is inspired or not. We trust the tradition of the faith.

    Grace and Peace, Danny ;)
     
    #6 Daniel Dunivan, Sep 12, 2003
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