Who Rules America?

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    Paul Craig Roberts
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    May 14, 2009

    What do you suppose it is like to be elected president of the United States only to find that your power is restricted to the service of powerful interest groups?

    A president who does a good job for the ruling interest groups is paid off with remunerative corporate directorships, outrageous speaking fees, and a lucrative book contract. If he is young when he assumes office, like Bill Clinton and Obama, it means a long life of luxurious leisure.

    Fighting the special interests doesn’t pay and doesn’t succeed. On April 30 the primacy of special over public interests was demonstrated yet again. The Democrats’ bill to prevent 1.7 million mortgage foreclosures and, thus, preserve $300 billion in home equity by permitting homeowners to renegotiate their mortgages, was defeated in the Senate, despite the 60-vote majority of the Democrats. The banksters were able to defeat the bill 51 to 45.

    These are the same financial gangsters whose unbridled greed and utter irresponsibility have wiped out half of Americans’ retirement savings, sent the economy into a deep hole, and threatened the US dollar’s reserve currency role. It is difficult to imagine an interest group with a more damaged reputation. Yet, a majority of “the people’s representatives” voted as the discredited banksters instructed.

    Hundreds of billions of public dollars have gone to bail out the banksters, but when some Democrats tried to get the Senate to do a mite for homeowners, the US Senate stuck with the banks. The Senate’s motto is: “Hundreds of billions for the banksters, not a dime for homeowners.”

    If Obama was naive about well-intentioned change before the vote, he no longer has this political handicap.

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    Its unfortunate, but I think the media runs America.

    They can determine who the next president is. All they have to do is show people in a favorable light, or dig up as much dirt on a person running as they can to make them look bad. What's even worse than all is that is being completely blacked out by the media. I haven't seen any balanced coverage on ALL of the candidates who run for office. They should provide just as much coverage for the third parties out there. People deserve to know who is running & to know about those candidates.

    Debates should not be moderated by the media. The should only be covered by the media. Common everyday people should get to ask the questions. I have also noticed that some candidates got more questions than others did. Tom Tancredo, in 2008 only got a few questions during most debates. Where Romney, Giuliani, & McCain got most of them. The bad part was Alan Keyes wasn't even invited to the debates. True conservatives are being shut out by the media.
     
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    The media (5 or 6 mega conglomerated corporations) is itself owned and operated by the international bankers and military industrial complex.

    Here's more.

    And more.

    And some more. (PDF)

    It's not just conservatives being shut out it's everyone who believes in a free and independent USA. Obama is just their latest stooge in a long line of stogges meant to lead us further away from our constituional republic and into their corporate fascist NWO. Most of what we see and hear on the "networks" is meant to condition us into accepting our own demise.
     
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    That's some interesting stuff. I always thought that HBO & Cinnemax were owned by the NBC Networks or General Electric. I have always noticed a lot of NBC people go on to having a show on HBO: Chris Rock, Dennis Miller, Bob Costas, & Bryant Gumble to name a few. Of course, Chris Rock & Dennis Miller are comedians, but used to work on Saturday Night Live which was on NBC.

    Something I also noticed is that General Electric recently purchased The Weather Channel.
     
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    The Weather Channel is one of the biggest promoters of the global warming hoax maybe you've noticed. The globalists aka the global elite, transnationals, multinationals or those in favor of a global government want a global tax. There has to be some sort of "reason" for taxing people on a global scale and global warming is it.

    It's all about conditioning.
     
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    God rules America....and everywhere else. What are you so worried about? You know the whole world will go after Satan, and Christians will be singled out for persection. It cannot be stopped. It cannot be hindered.

    It will happen according to the plan of Almighty God, and then Jesus Christ will return.

    Quit fretting so much, brother.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    It's called "occupying" not fretting and "occupying" means taking responsibility and meeting challenges as they come. Jesus said "occupy" until I return not make excuses why we shouldn't be busy "occupying". Occupy is a verb there's action involved. Jesus probably used this word for a reason. Notice he didn't say be "complaisant" until I return...which is what you seem to be suggesting. He said "occupy".

    I know I'm going to die someday too does that mean it's all for nothing if I try to stay in shape, eat right and have regular medical check ups? I mean if I'm going to die anyway and there's nothing I can do to stop it why "frett" about it right?
     
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    I haven't watched The Weather Channel lately, so maybe they are, but the founder of TWC has spoken out against global warming more than once in the last few months.
     
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    I've noticed that every Earth Day that comes around, NBC, MSNBC, The Weather Channel, USA Network, & (I think) Sci-Fi Channel all turn their station logos green for a whole week.

    Its kind of nauseating to hear them talking about the enivironment.
     
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    God does rule. You're right about that. God is always in control. However, America's focal point has been lost. America needs to regain it again.
     
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    But he has since left.
     
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    And we aren't going to do that by being complaisant.
     
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    Please point me to that passage of scripture where Jesus tells us to "occupy".

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    I think many Christians in America have lost their focal point. They should be focused on the cause of Christ in the world. They seem to spend a lot of time focused on the cause of America in the world, or perhaps the cause of politics in America.

    They are not the same thing.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Luke 19:11-13

    "And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come."

    We are to be an example to the world. What kind of example are we when we let our servants work evil continually by being complaisant ourselves? I remind you that we elect public servants and not rulers in the USA.

    Our public servants need to know their place and obey the law. The law is the constitution, those servants who refuse to obey it should be held accountable. Period.

    The "cause" isn't politics in America. The "cause" is to be good citizens, obey the law and hold those who do not accountable. Christians today seem to put their party of choice over their responsibility to be good citizens (stewards) by letting "their own" get away with ignoring or breaking the law for this "reason" or that. Making excuses and rationalizations to cover up or gloss over the lawlessness of their servants instead.

    "Spare the rod and spoil the child" works the same for servants in our charge as it does for children. Best way to get a spoiled government is to spare the "rod" and the "rod" in this case is accountability.
     
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    What translation are you using?

    The word you are translating as "occupy" means to do business. It does not mean to control others, or to watch over others, but to maintain the master's business while He is absent.
    Jesus never told us to hold others accountable, period. The only place you might find some accountability is in the adminstration of church discipline. That is the only place where Christians are commanded to hold others (other Christians) accountable.
    The "cause" is the cause of Christ in the world. That is spreading the gospel, discipling others, being good stewards of our own resources and blessings, and helping those in need. It is not holding people accountable, either politically or criminally.
    Christians today put politics above the cause of Christ and they put country before the Kingdom of God.
    Set you mind upon the things above and not the things below works for politics as well. The best way to set your mind on the things above is to follow scripture and not let politics govern your actions.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    >The law is the constitution,

    DREAMER!

    Chief Justice John Marshall (?), "The Constitution 'says' whatever we say it says." Basically, they said that the Feds can control most everything through the interstate commerce clause. Your state is on an interstate electricity grid? Anything connected to the grid can be controlled because you are dealing in interstate commerce.

    Second, since the Lincoln Revolution the US has been ruled by secret signing statements and secret executive orders. How can anyone say that laws are not constitutional if we don't know what the laws are?
     
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    Actually I would say the whacko environmentalists:

    1. We cannot drill for offshore oil because of these whackos.

    2. We cannot drill for domestic gas because of these whackos.

    3. We cannot drill for oil in ANWR because of these whackos.

    4. We cannot farm certain land because of these whackos.

    5. We cannot farm certain land because of these whackos.

    6. We cannot put wind turbines off shore at Hyannis Mass. because of elite whackos.

    7. We cannot build nuclear power plants because of these whackos.

    8. We cannot build nuclear power plants because of these whackos.

    9. We cannot build refineries because of these whackos.

    10. We may all be driving Fred Flintstone cars because of these whackos.
     
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    If one truely wants to know who is ruling America..... take a long look at who controls its purse strings and the national debt......
    The Federal Reserve and the International Monetary Fund!
    Who is behind these bankers.... The Bilderbergers..... and they've courted and approved every President of recent election..... from Obama.... back to Reagon.... and perhaps before that.

    And who rules our country? Look at the membership of the Trilateral Commission and the CFR..... and see how many members across both party lines either hold high office or repeatedly have influence as major consultants and advisors to the people in high office.

    And what about the conspiracy of evil principalities working in and through their modus operandi..... check out the common bonds and blood oaths taken by the highest degrees of the lodge and fraternal organizations such as Skull and bones.... or watch who attends the Bohemian Grove where people run naked and carry out mock human sacrifice to the god Moleck... When Clinton said 'It all depends upon what the definition of is is...." he was declaring a code name for Isis..... another pagon diety.... recognized in some secret fraternal organizations.... as a loyalty to brotherhood against charges and attacks by others. Follow the influence of Rhodes scholars into and upon our government leadership. Left or right news commentary? Forget it..... it is all a program to make us think we can get the truth .....when both sides play us as fools against the middle.... And watch it..... when a 'bipartisan bill' comes forward..... the left has their side and the right has their side... and to each camp it sounds good... while they garner public support to strip away the rights and bring control to both sides.

    So who rules America?
    As long as each of us is fool enough to believe that on the national level, any one party....particularly of the two major parties is our only choice and keep voting one or the other in..... we will keep heading more into that cul-de-sac.... which so many of us find confining and a threat to what once was America.
     
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    Not your's apparently.



    Actually the word occupy means this...

    1: to engage the attention or energies of

    2a: to take up (a place or extent in space) <this chair is occupied> <the fireplace will occupy this corner of the room>

    b: to take or fill (an extent in time) <the hobby occupies all of my free time>

    3 a: to take or hold possession or control of <enemy troops occupied the ridge>

    b : to fill or perform the functions of (an office or position)

    4: to reside in as an owner or tenant

    I wouldn't bet much money on that one. There doesn't seem to be much church discipline going on these days.

    So we're to stand by and watch as criminals ruin our country and put people's lives in danger by doing so? Sounds kind of non productive to me not to mention cowardly.

    Tell ya what, you go hide and wait for Jesus to return while the rest us try to defend our country and by extension defend you from people who mean to do you and your's harm. Go ahead now hurry along before you have to take any resposibility for your fellow man.

    Scripture doesn't tell us to run away from our responsibilities as citizens of this world. Just as scripture doesn't tell us to obey our elected public servants or to give anymore to Caesar than what rightly belongs to him.

    Besides if you were practicing what you're preaching to me here you wouldn't be here in the politics forum in the first place. So, why are you here? You're breaking your own rules being here discussing politics. Or doesn't your interpretations and rules for proper Christian conduct apply to you?
     
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