Who won the most

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  1. Salty

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    Ya got to love the electoral college.

    SEE MAP AT END.

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St.
    Paul,
    Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the
    Presidential
    election:
    Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans:
    2,427,000
    Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans:
    143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
    Democrats: 13.2
    Republicans: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory
    Republican
    won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying
    citizens
    of the country.
    Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
    government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government
    welfare.
    Professor Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between
    the
    "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
    democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population
    already
    having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
    invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to
    the
    USA in fewer than five years

    Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake,
    knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
     
  2. EdSutton

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    Please try again, my fellow hack.

    No map link to see.

    BTW, Old cab drivers never die; they just can't hack it any more.

    Ed
     
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    Very Telling it is.
     
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    One more stat for the Electoral College

    People who voted for

    Obama - 69,456,898
    McCain - 59,934,814


    No matter how you figure it that is a 9 1/2 million vote difference
     
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    I don't know about the rest of it but the information at the beginning is way off. Obama won 28 states and the District of Columbia, not 19 states. :)

    Data here: www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/
     
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    Even if this was right (which it is not) who won the other two states?

    If the first stat is this flawed, its kind of hard to trust the rest.
     
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    Especially if you do not like the results.
     
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    Do you really trust a list of stats when they can't even get the first and most simple one right?

    Time to wake up - like it or not, Obama was fairly elected with a nearly 10 million vote majority
     
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    Its just a fake according to Professor Olsen


    http://law.hamline.edu/node/784

    SEE HERE ALSO


    This story started with Bush/Gore

    Apparently false stories are still false stories, no matter how you feel about the results :)
     
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  10. Salty

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    From post # 2 (Ed Sutton)
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    BTW, Old cab drivers never die; they just can't hack 
    it any more.
    I am a livery driver - big difference. In fact, If I was to pick up a customer at a taxi stand, (which I'm not allowed to be at) I could actually be arrested here in the Salt City.

    From post # 5 Ken H
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    I don't know about the rest of it but 
    the information at the beginning is way off. [B]Obama won 28 states and the District [/B]
    [B]of Columbia, not 19 states[/B]
    It appears that the numbers were inverted

    From post # 6 Roger

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    Even if this was right (which it is not)
     who won the other two states?
    Two states split their electoral votes

    From post # 4 Roger

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    People who voted for
    Obama - 69,456,898
    McCain - 59,934,814
    No matter how you figure it that is
     a 9 1/2 million vote difference
    If a law was passed that only those who paid income tax could vote*- then the results would have been very different.

    Thank you for the Snopes info. But I think there is quite of bit of truth in the info.


    Salty

    * Those who are retired on earned Social Security would maintain their vote
     
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    Nope, Maine, though allowing regional voting was carried by Obama
    Nebraska gave one elector to Obama, but was still carried by McCain

    Besides, this was just a repeat of an old false story. Read the second link for specifics.

    Do you have an 'income tax paying voter' calculation?


    Obama won, fair and square. Voting was higher than usual. In fact the highest since '68. Hardly an indication of apathy.
     
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    It is a hoax

    The statistics are off as well as the name of the school. It is not Hemline but Hamline where he is a professor.

    Olson says he did not write the piece.
    But there are those who will believe this hoax and continue to pass it around.
     
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    The point should be that if the election had been based on popular vote and not the electoral college the Republican bad lands and desert lands would have been immaterial to the outcome. If the 9 smallest populated states under the Electoral College had gone 100% Republican Obama would have won. Without the EC, several more states would be marginalized. The president would be elected by a half dozen large cities and no mostly rural state would matter.
     
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    I'd love to abolish the electoral college. It's a carryover from a bygone era in which there wasn't national media and voters felt more comfortable voting for local electors rather than candidates they didn't know. It's contrary to the "One Man One Vote" democratic objective and makes it easier to rig the election. Now, let's see what was that popular vote total?

    Obama - 66,882,230

    McCain - 58,343,671

    A clear winner counting the vote the really democratic way.
     
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    If the EC was abolished, exactly why would any presidential candidate ever waste his time with N & S Dakota, Wyoming, New Mexico, Washington, Oregon, Nevada, and the rest of the 40 least populated states?
     
  16. Salty

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    Bingo!!

    I also would like to see states or Commonwealths "split" their votes. Here in New York, 1/2 of the Electoral votes come from NY City, which is about .003% of the land mass of NY!
    My personal preference for splitting EC would be by proportional representation - with the 2 "Senate" EC going to the Statewide or Commonwealth wide winner. Under this plan, a "minor" party candidate would actually have a chance to receive some EC's
     
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    Agreed - as long as each state had their own choice. I want the power hungry feds to keep their paws out of how states choose to elect their electors.

    If a state wants to let their legislator elect the electors they should have the power to do so.
     
  18. Salty

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    Won't miracles ever cease? C4K and I actually agree on something? :laugh: :thumbs:

    Hmm, I wonder if he will end up on my doorstep?:smilewinkgrin:

    As a 10th amendment man, unless the Constitution gives power to the Feds....
     

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