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Who would support a homosexual justice?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by fromtheright, Oct 8, 2005.

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  1. I would support an openly homosexual justice

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  2. I would oppose an openly homosexual justice

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  3. Sexual preference is irrelevant

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Yeah, we certainly don't want any consensus on anything in Washington now do we? :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]Not with him. His side lost. Let them find consensus with the winners, not the other way around.

    Republicans still haven't figured it out. Winners don't look for consensus with the losers, they advance their agenda that the nation gave them a mandate to advance.

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  2. KenH

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    Consensus has to come from reasonable Republicans and reasonable Democrats. I welcome Senator Reid's support for Miers.
     
  3. fromtheright

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    But, Ken, what reason is there to believe that she is conservative and pro-life? Because Bush appointed her? Because Bush appointed Roberts who still remains an unknown quantity (and Miers is even more so)? And what reason do we have to trust him on that account? I'm fully behind him on the war and other related things, but domestically he has shown himself to tend to out-Democrat the Democrats.
     
  4. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Are you seriously calling Harry Reid a reasonable person? Come on, Ken. Get real. You know better. The Republicans are acting as if they were the losers last year.

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  5. fromtheright

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    Ken,

    I welcome Senator Reid's support for Miers.

    That makes is sound like Reid "got on the bandwagon" when in fact he is the one who recommended her. Your statement makes it sound like Reid is being the "nice" guy by supporting Bush's choice when Reid simply got his way.
     
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    If this is Bush's attitude, it won't be long before his conservative base shows him and his entire party the door. You can only ignore and punish those who elected you for so long before it backfires on you. We don't work for him. He works for us. That is the way it works in America.

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  7. KenH

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    So you gonna join the Constitution Party, Joseph? [​IMG]
     
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    Nope. They don't represent me and you know it. Although, if they were to abandon the looney anti-war, isolationist wing of their party, I might consider it. [​IMG]

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  9. KenH

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    Joe,

    You're exactly right. If Roberts or Miers either one turns out be another O'Connor or worse, I will be staying at home on election day. Bush campaigned on choosing another Scalia or Thomas--that's what he said, for Pete's sake. If either one turns out to be close to being a Scalia or Thomas I'll be campaigning for my primary choice.
     
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    Wouldn't it be best and wisest to wait and see how they do on the court before making electoral threats? [​IMG]
     
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    Ken,

    I don't say she isn't evangelical enough or intellectual enough. I am saying there is not much reason to believe that she is conservative enough. I'm not saying that she's not, but I am saying I'm not going to get excited over someone just because she goes to an evangelical church, though, sure, it is a hopeful sign, but not a lot to hang one's hat on. Frankly, I don't care if "The Bible-thumbing armies...make the elites in the Republican Party as uncomfortable as they make Maureen Dowd and Michael Moore." (from the article in the link you posted in the other thread you linked to) And I don't care if secular, but no less genuine conservatives make evangelicals uncomfortable, as long as the policy (and in the case of SCOTUS nominees, constitutional) views are conservative.
     
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    Ken,

    Wouldn't it be best and wisest to wait and see how they do on the court before making electoral threats?

    Please re-read my post. That was exactly my point, that if they turn out to be an O'Connor, from their performance on the Court, I will have lost a LOT of confidence in the GOP.
     
  14. KenH

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    All of this handwringing by conservatives won't change the situation that either Miers is confirmed to the SCOTUS or else I believe that the GOP will weaken itself to the point that it will lose both the House and the Senate in November 2006.

    At least if Miers is confirmed and does well on the SCOTUS then "all's well that ends well".
     
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    All of this handwringing by conservatives won't change the situation that either Miers is confirmed to the SCOTUS or else I believe that the GOP will weaken itself to the point that it will lose both the House and the Senate in November 2006.

    If the GOP has weakened itself to the point that it is willing to nominate or accept a justice simply because she can get a majority of votes in the Senate, that it is not concerned over whether a SCOTUS nominee has the proper judicial philosophy then it is already a dying elephant. I'm not saying she is not a conservative, I am saying simply that I am concerned and it if is improper to be concerned about a nominee, that we should leap to and blindly support the President's nominees and be enthusiastic about them with no basis what have we come to as a party if we're not concerned about our own philosophy and whether it is safely in such a justice's hands? I'm confused as to why these are improper questions to ask.

    At least if Miers is confirmed and does well on the SCOTUS then "all's well that ends well".

    That's a big "if" at this point and there's nothing wrong with being cautious until it in fact ends well.
     
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    She's not married, and never had any kids? Well that is not a sin of course, but it makes me worry that she might have feminist leanings. That would be just as bad as being gay. I really hope Bush knows what he is doing. :eek:
     
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    KenH,

    I mean if she is a radical feminist. You know the kind that thinks a high powered career is better than a family. The kind who have a bad attitude about "staying home and baking cookies like Tammy Wynett" and who want the "Village" to raise their children, like Hillery. That would be just as bad as a Gay Justice.
     
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    Which is a good segue (sp?) to perhaps getting this thread back on the topic of the general question of whether anyone here would support (or oppose) a homosexual Supreme Court nominee?

    Please feel free to post anything, including replies to above posts, re the Miers nomination on a thread devoted to that topic.
     
  20. Bunyon

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    I would not support an openly Gay judge, no matter how great their resume is. But theoretically, I would leave the door open for a repentant homosexual as you said.
     
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