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Do you consider the Athanasian defined doctrine of the Trinity heresy?

 

Are you saying that The Holy Spirit is not a Personage distinct from The Father but only an attribute of the Father?

 

You never addressed this use of "ECHAD" in Malichi 2:10. Do you believe it is a collective "father" in this verse or one in number?

 

I post this again because you have never addressed the particulars of the above mentioned texts.

Also, you never responded on the clarification that Isaiah 44:8 gives to Isaiah 43:10 in regard to what they were actually witnesses of!

Isa. 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declaredit? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any

Isaiah 43:10~11 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YHVH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. v11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Apparently you know something that YHVH claims He did not know! He obviously is not referring to anyone witnessing Himself being "formed" but is denying that any OTHER GOD has ever been formed because "there is no God; I know not any."

 

I am not sure what you mean by compounded one. I do not use the word trinity but how does your beliefs differ from the trinity, if at all?

I know what I believe as for God creating Jesus, His visible being, His Word, then all creation created by Jesus and for Jesus.
However, I also believe that the Holy Spirit is Jesus. I believe Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. I can show scripture showing that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same.
Do you agree?

 

Do you accept the "Trinity doctrine" and if not then how does your doctrine differ than the Trinity doctrine. Please spell it out clearly.

 

You just quoted my beliefs, and you believe in the Catholic trinity; therefore, why not you spell out the differences.

 

I know what the Trinity doctrine is but I do not know what you believe. I thought the best way is for you to explain your doctrine in contrast to the Trinity doctrince since that is a point of reference for both of us.

Didn't you ask Seve to do the very same thing I am asking you? Didn't you ask him to explain what he believes in comparison with the doctrine of the Trinity? I am simply asking you to do what you have asked him to do.

 

God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are not one, as you affirm here.
You contradict yourself Moriah. Now come clear with the truth!
Is the above true?
Or here is what you posted on your website:

Obviously God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not one, according to what you have posted. You have them all clearly differentiated according to their various roles. You can't have it both ways. Which way do you believe.


http://christiandefenseofthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/the-holy-spirit/

 

God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same.

I do not contradict myself. You just like to say things like that.

I do not understand what you are saying. Do you agree with what I posted, why or why not?

 

Wilt thou therefore speak with words which one findeth only in the KJV??

Answereth thou me!!

 

Are the same what?

 

I am waiting for you to explain these false charges.

 

Please explain how they are false.
The website comes from your profile. It is your material.

The statement comes from your post. I quoted you.
So choose which one is correct.
Both can't be. Explain yourself.

 

No, you need to explain. You made the false accusation that I contradict myself. Now, explain exactly where and how.

You need to explain why both cannot be correct.

Do you not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh?
Do you not believe that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same?

 

The same what?

 

The same what?

You need to elaborate.

 

That is precisely what I am asking you to do! You said they were the "same"? Are they the same God as in the Trinity doctrine? Are they the same God in the Oneness doctrine? Are they the same Being, same Person, same substance, same essence, same what?

 

In your website you differentiate the different roles that each play.
Each one: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is deity.
Each one: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are different persons. They are co-equal, co-eternal, co-existing beings that are three persons and yet existing in one God.

"I am the Lord saith Jehovah, know and understand that there was no God before me and there shall no God be after me. I am the Lord, and beside me is no savior."

There is only one God, but he exists in three persons; hence the trinity.

Each person of the triune Godhead can be shown to be deity in different parts of the Bible.
1. We know that the Father is God. "Our Father who art in heaven..."
2. Jesus many times claims to be God. "I and my father are one."
3. The Holy Spirit (Acts 5) You have not lied unto man but unto God. You have lied to the Holy Spirit.

At the baptism of Christ all three persons existed as separate beings. But they were all there.

They cannot be the same God. Jesus was subject to the Father in all things. Jesus sits at the right hand of the throne of God. The Spirit dwells within us. They have different roles as you have pointed out in your website.
Therefore "they are not all the same."

 

They are the same.
1. We know that the Father is God. "Our Father who art in heaven..."
2. Jesus many times claims to be God. "I and my father are one."
3. The Holy Spirit (Acts 5) You have not lied unto man but unto God. You have lied to the Holy Spirit.
I can give you even more scriptures to show they are the same, as you have shown with these examples.