Whosoever Will

Listen to yourself. I am sure if you talk with Olson on your problems he will talk with you. State a few?

Mediate theology will be the way forward. Calvinism will fall. Just watch and see. Time goes bye. It's amazing the way people protect Calvinism as if it's Scripture. The guy burnt someone to death. And all in the name of God?

 

I like Jones but a couple of things put me off him, one was he thought testimonies were stupid and a waste of time and another he said, that people should at some time in their life seek an experience of the Holy Spirit. Some time? Geez.

 

I made the same point in my last post.

 

Shields up.

 

Calvinism is Scripture?

 

So "whosoever shall call" does not mean "anyone who calls"? What does whosoever mean to you? To me it means that ANYONE who calls on God for forgiveness and salvation WILL be saved. God does not turn ANYONE away who truly repents and seeks His forgiveness.

 

Big John Elias fan here btw. Mainly because he preached to the unconverted. He was a strong predestinarian as I am in my puny way. They call him a hyper calv on wiki but I have never seen him look like that in his books. Most are in Welsh and not translated I will agree.

 

The wicked, though the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

 

Because for some strange and unfathomable reason they want to believe that God is incapable of saving everyone if they all came to Him, and so they say that He choose to save some and not others. That is totally unscriptural. My God is bigger and better than that. He is not petty, weak, or unforgiving to some and forgiving toward others.

His offer of forgiveness is to ALL. What we do with that offer is up to us. That's where free will comes in since we are not puppets on a string.

 

And? What's your point? Is that to Calvin?

 

That's what whosoever means--those who will believe. It is our choice to accept or reject Him--our choice to believe or not. He "foreknew" who would or would not accept Him, and He chose us according to that foreknowledge. God knew everything that would ever happen long before the creation of the world.

 

What you will find Jon Marc is most who hold to this are brought up in today's fellowships of various historical backgrounds and not born again off the street.

Not all.

When you say His offer is to ALL you will get flak on that.

 

So, after ten pages of debate, we still haven't identified this "Whosoever Will" person. Perhaps he's the brother of "Trespassers Will", the person who caused great strife to Winnie The Pooh.

 

Well, enlighten us Spock.

Off to eat, back later.

 

Where did I say that? I said that whosoever believeth does not strictly connote "anyone CAN believe."

I explained this earlier. It means "[all] the ones who..."

Yes, I agree with this. What I was explaining was that whosoever does not specifically dictate ability. It mere states the qualification.

Too many people misunderstand the English word whosoever as it translates "all the ones... ___ing." People think that the word itself stands alone as some declaration of universal ability. The word does NOT say anything about the ability of everyone to do X. It only says that the ones who actually do X are the qualifiers.

 

So when Paul says we believe according to the working of His mighty power which He wrought in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and set Him at His own right hand in heavenly places, etc, he was mistaken? According to you Paul should have written that we believe according to our own free will decision.