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Why AKJV only?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Alexandra Spears, Jul 14, 2003.

  1. Ed Edwards

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    Hebrews 5:11-14, 6:1-3 (KJV1769):

    11 Of whom we have many things to say,
    and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
    12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,
    ye have need that one teach you again
    which be the first principles of the oracles of God;
    and are become such as have need of milk,
    and not of strong meat.
    13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful
    in the word of righteousness:
    for he is a babe.
    14 But strong meat belongeth to them
    that are of full age
    ,
    even those who by reason of use have their
    senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

    1 Therefore leaving the principles
    of the doctrine of Christ,
    let us go on unto perfection;
    not laying again the foundation of repentance
    from dead works, and of faith toward God,
    2 Of the doctrine of baptisms,
    and of laying on of hands,
    and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
    3 And this will we do, if God permit.

    IMHO the doctrine of one book (and one book
    only) containing God's written word is MILK for the immature.
    Here is the meat: [​IMG] God has through His divine providence has
    kept his written word for us in this age (early 21st
    century) in the USofA in the form of
    the New King James Version (nKJV). Further He has kept
    the written word for us in this age (early 21st century)
    for the international Christian in the form of the
    New INTERNATIONAL Version. Etc*.
    * (don't forget that God preserved his Holy Written Word
    for the early 17th century (and those like the Amish
    who still dress in 17th century clothing) in the KJV1611)
     
  2. Jeffrey H

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] :(
     
  3. RaptureReady

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    I'm afraid the local Dollar store does not sell Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. If the greek, hebrew, etc., etc. where to be the means of God putting His word into our hands today, He would have made a way for that(i.e., we would be speaking Greek and Hebrew and not English). But, he did not, He realized that the language would mostly be English and therefore placed his perfect, infallible, inerrant, inspired word in the King James Bible. This is what I believe. To take time and study these things is great, but should never interfere with what God has already given to you in plain English.
     
  4. Baptist in Richmond

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    Originally posted by HomeBound:
    &gt;&gt;I'm afraid the local Dollar store does not sell Greek and Hebrew
    &gt;&gt;manuscripts.

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  5. Askjo

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    Please show me 11 verses that the KJV removed and the New KJV has. I would like to look at them.
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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  7. ColoradoFB

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] :( </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, News Corp. owns Zondervan and Avon. They also own the very conservative "Fox News Channel". I guess a boycott of Fox can't be far off! :D
     
  8. Dr. Bob

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    But you miss the point. He DOES give us the Greek and Hebrew. And has preserved His Word (Greek and Hebrew) so that EVERY person of EVERY language group can take them and translate them and follow them. It would not take you long to get a copy (CBD $10) and have it to read.

    Don't blame God that our poor schooling no longer requires you to learn and translate Greek and Latin. It was a basic requirement 100 years ago. Before a student could ENTER college, he would be asked to translate 3-4 chapters of the Bible FROM the Greek into Latin!

    And someone in France or Peru or New Guinea could have the exact words in Greek and Hebrew.

    God has allowed fallible men, though, to translate His Word into local vernaculars. For those speaking Jacobean English, there is the KJV(whatever revision you use). For modern English speakers, there are many other good translations (and some really inaccurate ones).

    One thing for sure. God didn't promise to preserve His Word in the KJV. I've read my KJV through at least 20 times and NEVER found a word about ANY English translation. Nothing. Nada. No word. :eek:
     
  9. gb93433

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    To add to Dr, Griffith. It wasn't too many years ago that a German man who was high up in the Jehovah's Witnesses sought to apply what he had learned as a student in a secular university in studying Greek. As a result he began to study the Greek text and became a true follower of Jesus Christ. He came to America for awhile to escape the threats against him. He did not become a Christian by studying a German or English translation but found himself being corrected by a study of the Greek text. His Jehovah's Witnesses translation persuaded him differently but it was his Greek Bible that showed him the faults of an improper translation.

    Every translation has the doctrinal biases of the translators but the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic text has the biases of God. God's word is truth. It is not just true it is truth.

    There is much less chance for ambiguity in the original languages than in English.

    For example several Greek words may be translated in the English by one word. In Greek those different words have different nuances of meaning. They are not all the same.
     
  10. HeDied4U

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    Well, I certainly have a headache :D :D I have just spent almost an hour reading through the 11 1/2 pages of this thread (up to this point). If I was keeping score, I would have to say that the KJVO "side" is losing by a landslide, but as was pointed out, majority "vote" doesn't always make it right.

    I was taught to let Scripture intrepret Scripture, and from what I have read here, those who "favor" KJVO really haven't shown much Scripture to back up their claim, whereas those who "favor" the MV's (or at least don't hold to the KJVO view of things) have more than sufficient Scripture references to back up their positions.

    Having said that, I'm off to read my NASB :D [​IMG]

    God Bless (and have a wonderful day!!!)

    Adam :cool: [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  11. HeDied4U

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    Something that Dr. Bob said got me to thinking, about someone in France, or Peru, or wherever for that matter, would have the same Greek and Hebrew "bible" {as those of us here in the USA would}.

    Now, would it be fair to the French speaking person to make him learn English before he could come to an understanding of the Bible? Wouldn't God want His Word translated into French just as easily as into English? What makes the English language so darn "special" that it's the only language God can use to communicate His truth through? Did the donkey that spoke to Balaam speak English? If not, was it really God speaking through it then? (okay, I know that that may be a rather "weak" arguement, but I hope the intents of the thought come through).

    Another thing while I'm on my soapbox :D :D ; Let's say I was born and raised in, oh let's say...Iraq, and never learned one bit of English. One day, a missionary from the USA came to my village and, IN MY LANGUAGE, told me about the wonderful saving grace of Jesus, and that forgiveness and eternal life were free gifts from God, and then presented me with a bible in MY LANGUAGE, and I read it, understood that I was a sinner, and asked Jesus to forgive me of my sins, are you trying to tell me that because the bible that I was given was not AV1611 my salvation wasn't real??? Because that's the impression that I get from reading KJVO postings. Or does this just apply to any other ENGLISGH bible? If that's the case, that would be one heck of a huge double standard, would it not?????

    Okay, I'm now climbing off my soapbox...

    God Bless, and have a wonderful day [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Adam :cool: [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  12. C.S. Murphy

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    I just returned from vacation and imagine my surprise to find so many of you posting rudely and against the stated rules for this forum. If you need a reference just view the quote on post 2 of this page. Such accusations are forbidden here and mean spirited posting is never acceptable. I don't have the time nor patience to edit every offensive remark and attack so I will close this thread and ask everyone to reconsider their posting style.
    Murph
     
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