Featured Why are you debating me?

So you are an old man who ought to know better.

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Oh, I believe that to ordain something means to command it, yes. That is why I showed the definition several times from the dictionary. I know that you will DENY that ordain means to command, but that is simply you playing with the true definition of words. That is what you Calvinists do, you have your own set of definitions for words that is quite different than everyone else.

But what did Shakespeare say?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet


Shakespeare must have known some Calvinists.

Look Luke, if God has "determined" what must happen, that is the same as a command or decree. If God has determined a sinner must sin, then he cannot do anything but sin.

That is not what I believe. I believe God knew that Judas would betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. It was absolutely certain to happen, because God's foreknowledge is perfect and cannot be wrong. God allowed Judas to betray Jesus to bring about his crucifixion.

But in theory Judas could have repented. Only in reality he could not because God's foreknowledge is perfect and knew exactly what he would certainly do.

My view does not incriminate God. God did not cause Judas to betray Jesus, he simply knew he would.

This is not your view and you know it, Calvinism rejects this view. But now you are stuck with the problem of trying to explain how God is not the author of sin.

You really think non-Cals do not understand this? We get it, and that is why we reject your view.

 

Thanks for the nice testimony Hank. :thumbs:

 

I thought he was a fictitious character made up to keep me in line.

 

Huh?


Oxford English Dictionary:

http://public.oed.com/resources/for-students-and-teachers/a-level/

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/help/dictnotes/def.htm

 

Yes, that is the way the OXFORD dictionary orders words for ENGLISH definitions.

The point still stands.

Any view that says because ONE OF FIVE definition OPTIONS is command that the word defined ALWAYS MUST MEAN command is eat up with stupid.

Skandelon, note I said the VIEW is eat up with stupid- not the person. You seem to think that as long as you are insulting the view like Winman does then it is perfectly ok.

I'm just capitalizing on what you allow him to do. 10-4?

 

Luke, please clarify. The view that "Dictionaries always put the most likely definition first and in descending order from there"—is that view moronic, idiotic, or just plain stupid?

 

Do you know the difference between wrong and idiotic?

A person can be brilliant and wrong.

But a person who thinks a certain way can HAPPEN to be right and be a complete moron.

Do you understand that?

For example a person can be wrong about how the OXFORD ENGLISH dictionary orders its definitions. Anybody can.

But anybody who thinks that any ONE OPTION must be the only one and must always apply to every usage of the term has a view that is utterly ridiculous in the highest degree.

If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.

There is a right way of thinking that sometimes leads to wrong conclusions.

Then there is just a totally wrong way of thinking that HAPPENS to be right rarely.

The latter is that of ignorant person.

The former is that of an imperfect person.

I hope you can discern between the two.

 

I concur.
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Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

 

How do you define "Determinism" though?

 

Hello?

Any body there?