Before I go on my rant, you need to know I am neither Calvinist nor Arminean so what does that make me? One poster on here described me this way I like the way it was quoted. I’m fed up! Why are you here? It appears some of you believe that this board is your personal mission field. One poster said You are not going to change me. I am firmly grounded in my beliefs on election and grace. I have searched the scriptures and know what I believe. If you are secure in your belief structure why do you feel the need to debate it? Your arguments will not persuade me or anyone else that is firm in their beliefs.. Arminians will remain Arminian and Calvinists will remain Calvinist. I will debate what I feel is unsound doctrine and quit the debate when it degrades to the same old tired worn out debate. Once more I’ll ask the question why you are here. I’m here to learn by reading debates and taking part in debates. As one of our posters says iron sharpens iron.