Why Believe One can Lose Salvation??

The Bible proves by 'reductio ad absurdum'
that one cannot (being once saved) ever lose one's salvation.

"4For it is impossible to keep on restoring to repentance time
and again people who have once been enlightened,
who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have become sharers
of the Holy Spirit,
5 who have tasted the goodness of God's word
and the powers of the coming age,
6 and who have fallen away, as long as they continue
to crucify to themselves the Son of God and to expose him
to public ridicule."

- Hebrews 6:4-6 ISV

A pro for believing in OSAS is that it is BIBLICAL TRUTH.

A con for believing you can 'lose your salvation' is
the fact it is NOT a Biblical Truth

 

Option one - accept the Bible teaching on "forgiveness revoked" and benefit from the warnings given in scripture.

Option two - ignore the warnings given in scripture and pretend that in ignoring scripture you "render service to God". But in doing so you place your soul at risk.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Wrong. The bible proves with "warning after warning" that the Christian is to be FULLY AWARE of the danger of losing salvation!

Fallen and yet hoping to be “grafted BACK in again” into the vine of Christ!

Having escaped, and tasted of the future life and been partakers of the Holy Spirit – fallen away and then burned.

 

Forgiveness revoked –

Severed FROM Christ and Fallen from grace

 

Turned over to Satan – in the shipwreck of faith

Denied by Christ instead of His “confessing us before God and His angels” –

 

At this point Paul jumps fully into the topic of SALVATION! He argues the point of wining the lost. He shows that his focus and goal is fully set on the salvation that is brought through the preaching of the Gospel!

Wining here is “Wining souls for Christ” in the preaching of the Gospel. Preaching the Gospel to others – resulting in their Salvation! In this case to “Win” is to “SAVE”

Paul shows that “To win is to save”! He preaches the Gospel to others in order to SAVE them – no mention at all of his seeking “a bit more candy when he gets to heaven”. . He mentions nothing about the temporal rewards in heaven of housing, or candy or toys nor does he mention what great honor and room-size reward he is seeking in heaven.

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Now comes that “unpleasant section” for many where Paul points out the seriousness of this Gospel pursuit for the goal of saving people -- so that I may by all means save some. as he says.

Paul shows his explicit objective when he “Does all things for the sake of the Gospel”. He SAYS he does all things so that “he may become a fellow partaker of IT – the Gospel”!!

Those who want to limit this discussion to “the amount of candy you get in heaven” are missing the entire point. Paul argues for the very basic issue of “participating IN THE GOSPEL”. Not to participate in the ONE Gospel of our salvation – is to be lost brothers and sisters.

It is as a “fellow partaker of the GOSPEL” that Paul wants to live AND to preach. Indeed what is the point of preaching if he is not also PARTAKING of the benefits of the Gospel – eternal life.

Paul shows that his own example in persuing that goal of being “A fellow partaker of the Gospel” is the standard/model/role-model for the saints. Paul argues that ALL saints are pursuing the same eternal imperishable reward in their striving – in their self-discipline. Paul says “but WE do it to receive an IMPERISHABLE objective.


He has left the realm of “I am a leader and Apostle and so I have special rights” to the perspective of WE ALL want to be “Fellow partakers” of the Gospel for as he has just pointed out when the Gospel is received the people are saved. (; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.)

So now in this “fellow partaker of the Gospel” model for ALL that Paul is offering (in the form of his own life example) he shows how it works. He shows the perspective of the saint, the attitude, the focus the Olympic ALL for the Gospel focus that is NEEDED. IN fact he argues that it is critical EVEN for an Apostle for even in this most exaulted case HE is at risk “LEST after preaching the Gospel to other I MYSELF should be disqualified” from that very Gospel!

How instructive!

Yet how fervently ignored by those who find this to be an “unpleasant” section of scripture!

Take each "detail" and show the meaning IN the 1Cor 9 context itself. Let the argument speak for itself IN the text you are exegeting.

Or do you read vs 23-27 and respond with

And so when Paul says

Do you respond with

"Are you saved by your efforts of paying close attention, persevering and taking pains with those disciplines?"

Will your response to each of these displeasing texts be simply to challenge them and show how your view of "other texts" don't allow these unpleasant texts to exist??


When Paul says

He speaks of “The loss of all things” and the goal of “knowing Christ”. In fact he says his goal is to “gain Christ”. More than this – he seeks to “attain to the resurrection from the dead”.

Those who think that “knowing Christ,” and “gaining Christ” and ‘the resurrection of the righteous” are all things “other than salvation” have not thought about the point of Gospel salvation in the complete form it is presented in scripture.

So when we see such direct appeals to the salvific benefits of the Gospel - do you respond with I would hope that you are humble enough to put no faith in yourself........and at least a little in God!?? Do you rework this into a kind of “its all about Paul’s confidence in himself” story? Why not accept it as the faithful view of the saints of God – just as Paul presents it??

If you see yourself needing to “gloss over” the details of Phil 3 or 1Cor 9 and you if you feel the need to respond to them as “inconvenient test” as you divert attention away from these direct challenges to OSAS and towards some less problematic texts - you can begin to see that those other texts are being taken to extremes so place them in favor of OSAS. If we let the text speak in its full detail does it cause you to immediately jump to some other "more comfortable" text?

IF so - it is a sign that you have taken what your comfortable texts do not actually say explicitly and have added "inferences" that were never in those texts to start with.

In the case of these "unpleasant" texts - it is the mere quote of them and the insistence on seeing their details rather than glossing over them that is causes so many to have heart burn.

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Can we “retranslate” 1Cor 9:27 so it will be more “Acceptable” for OSAS?

 

BobRyan: //At this point Paul jumps fully into the topic of SALVATION!
He argues the point of wining the lost. He shows that his
focus and goal is fully set on the salvation that is brough
through the preaching of the Gospel!//

But this directly contradicts all the verses you quoted
in three or four posts thinking
they teach: lost after salvation. Why would Paul try to save
people if it doesn't STICK?


As for the topic question:
Why Believe One can Lose Salvation??
I can't think of a reason why one would want to.
One who is saved should be way to busy working for Jesus
because of what Jesus did when Jesus saved them PERMENANTLY.

Phil 3:14 //14 I press on toward the goal for
the prize of the upward call
of God in Christ Jesus.//

Not the 'downward call' that you save others or fry yourself

 

Sorry, your the one who said..."It NEVER lacks a continued connection and obedience to Christ. Never!"

That is "NEVER" and "NEVER!"

I guess you have disobeyed from time to time then. So don't say NEVER!

God Bless!

 

That is pretty funny Ed!! The only way this 1 Cor 9 fact COULD contradict my point is IF IT DID teach OSAS!! See?? I don't believe in OSAS!

In 1Cor 9 we SEE Paul place the focus squarly ON SALVATION itself. And then Devastatingly to the OSAS POV Paul APPLIES THE RISK to HIMSELF saying "LEST after preaching the Gospel to others" (and others getting the Gospel BENEfIT stated in 1Cor 9 which is -- SALVATION) "I myself should be disqualified" (From that VERY BENEFIT that was explicitly identified IN the chapter!)

Ahh what a beautiful thing CONTEXT is!! What a great thing - exegesis!!

Ahh NOW we have the acid TEST! Finally Ed agrees to be "objective". Here in Phil 3 we see the UPWARD positive motivation. Ed argues that WE SHOULD NOT SEE the NEGATIVE motivation AWAY from falling back into sin AS IF failure were even possible.

HENCE we get "back again" to 1Cor 9 and ALL THE OTHER texts so ignored by those who claim that the Bible should NOT contain them!!

Finally - an objective line drawn (in this case by Ed) that can be "tested" via the contents of scripture!

Many thanks!!

In Christ,

Bob

 

BobRyan: //See?? I don't believe in OSAS!//

Let me rephrase it and see if you agree:

Jesus Saves!!!

Jesus says how He saves in John 3:16 (KJV1611 Edition):

For God so loued ye world, that he gaue his only
begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

There is a new poll at:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/39/1597.html#000001

you have an opinion on it, go vote (Don't forget your BACK key

 

The only repentance needed for salvation is to repent from unbelief. After that repentance is required daily for a close walk with God.

Not at all. A hearty Amen!

Amen again!

A FALSE sense of security is in thyself. My security lies in the hands of Jesus ALONE. I trust He will keep that which I have entrusted to Him.

God Bless!

 

He did not believe in Jesus. Why not? He did not accept Jesus' teaching, he went away rather than follow.

Because God commands it for the well being of His children, the saved, the born-again. So the saved may grow to do that which is righteous in God's eyes. So God's child will bear much fruit. So God's child may receive great blessings. Salvation has already been settled at rebirth.

God Bless!

 

Because the Bible says to
repent when you sin.

1 John 1:9 (KJV1611 Edition):
If we confesse our sinnes, hee is faithfull,
& iust to forgiue vs our sinnes, and to cleanse vs from
all vnrighteousnesse.

OSAS is not, cannot, and should not be
used as a sin license. People who use
the Doctrine of Eternal Security of the
Believer for a sin license HAVE YET TO
BE 'ONCE SAVED'.

Again, for the saved, there are three
elements to salvation:

1. Past - JUSTIFICATION, all sin up
the time of initial salvation is forgiven
(after having been repented of), but JESUS SAVES

2. Present - SCANTIFICATION, all current
sins is forgiven (after having been repented
of), but JESUS SAVES!

3. Future -GLORIFICATION, Jesus replaces
our old body with a new, eternal on just like
He had from His Resurrection. JESUS SAVES!

 

Sorry to direct
you to a BAPTIST ONLY area. Non-Baptists
cannot vote in a BAPTIST ONLY AREA.

Nobody can tell when you vote if you are
Baptist or not. So a non-Baptist could vote
in the Poll. Whether or not a non-Baptist
would vote in a Baptist Only Poll is a matter
of the individual conscience of the non-Baptist.
I ain't gonna recommend either course.