Why did Adam sin

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  1. freeatlast

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    Right now there is a lot of discussion about sin nature. This raises a question. Adam was created in the image of God. If sin nature is why men sin today then why did Adam sin?
     
  2. Amy.G

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    I've asked that question here before. Good luck!

    My answer is that Adam was given a choice to obey or rebel. This is how love is determined. That is why I say that God desired to create human beings in His image that would love Him of their own free will. Otherwise it's not love.
     
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    I'd say that you are on the mark. Adam (and Eve) had actual free will, and could chose either of two directions on their own. They could have chose to follow God or they could have chose to follow Satan. They chose wrongly based on any number of reasons that scholars can think of (for we are not told in Scripture).

    -- They may have been curious
    -- They may not have understood the extent of the lie
    -- They may have thought that the wisdom that came from knowing good from evil was a good thing
    -- They may have thought that the serpent was an agent of God
    -- They may have logically proposed that if this, then that, equaled a better life
    -- They may have been conned Etc., etc., etc. All, or most may be true.

    God harshly judged the enemy, and put into motion something that He told us later (progressive revelation in the Word) that was His plan from the before the foundation of the world, which indicates that though the free expression of will was allowed in Adam's case, the price was also mandated and unavoidable, to which God already had a plan in place that would ultimately redeem those who were now (corporately, as in, ALL future humanity) enslaved to sin.
     
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    Agreed. The Bible also says we are made in God's image and in Adam's image...so what does that say about our moral free agency?
     
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    I certainly agree that Adam had a choice, but we do also. Sin is never a given or to say we have to sin. No one can name me one sin they ever had to do. All sin is a choice. The problem is that everyone choses to follow sin instead of God. No one can claim that they sin because they have a sin nature unless we want to claim that Adam did not have a choice and was forced to sin.
     
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    The Bible says that all who are born of Adam are "slaves to sin." I would suggest that something very radical happened at the point of Genesis 3 that changed our status before God forever -- or at least until we are, what, what, oh, I remember, "born agan" and then made "slaves to righteousness."
     
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    Help me here. Where does it say those in Adam are slaves to sin? I know of this passage but it is clear this is a choice before salvation and it is expected to be a choice chosen after salvation.
    Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
     
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    I disagree. Yes, we have a choice but we always choose sin at some point. If we had the ability to be sinless, Jesus wasted His life.

    We are slaves to sin (before salvation) in that when we choose to sin, we are under the penalty of sin, which is death. But we still have a choice even as sinners bound for hell to choose Christ and receive salvation. We then are free from sin in that we will never suffer the penalty of it, which is eternal death. But we will still sin until we are changed from corruptible flesh to incorruptible.
     
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    Not so Amy. We are lost because of what Adam did not because of breaking the law. Men were lost from Adam to the law even before they ever broke one law. If there had never been a law give we would still be lost all because of Adams sin. The law of Moses never made anyone lost. Sin is always a choice. If not name me one you have had to do. You still sin, as do I and every believer, because we choose to do so, not because we have to.
    There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].
     
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    Adam sinned by his own free will. He was created holy but he chose to sin.
     
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    I agree he sinned by choice.
     
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    Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.

    Rom 7:14-25 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
     
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    It was Adam's choice to do it. But it was God's decree that it would be done.
     
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    I've not noticed that slaves have the rights to chose to be "free men." Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

    It takes a free man to set free slaves! Hence, Christ, first true free man since Adam! Praise God for His Son, who infinite as God, had the ability to set us free.
     
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    Nope I don't agree with that.
     
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    Then you don't believe God is sovereign and omniscient. I do.
     
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    Yes but the John passage is not suggesting that we have to sin, just that we choose to sin making ourslefves slaves.
    Look at Romans 6:16
    Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    Both yielding's are a choice. No one ever sins because they have to and no one ever lives righteously because they have to. Both are choices that is my point.

    Tghe romans 7 passage that where it says " bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members" That law of sin is "death", not being forced to sin.
    For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    No one has to sin.
     
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    What I don't believe is your understanding of those terms and what it takes to be sovereign and omniscient.
     
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    But we are slaves. Either to sin or to righteousness (God). A bondservant chose to be a slave to his master, yet he was still a slave. You choose your master.
     
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    Exactly! :thumbs:
     

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