Why did God create Hell?

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  1. menageriekeeper

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    From another thread, comes this interesting quote:

    This scripture seems to indicate otherwise:

    Mt 25:41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    What say you?
     
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    Prepared for the devil and his angels (messengers)

    If one chooses to reject Christ and His sacrifice for the sins of the world, but rather chooses to carry the message of the world, one will be named among the devil's angels.

    He made his bed, now he must burn in it.

    Enough said.
     
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    1. This discussion will probably take us into a domain that I don't think I have the capacity to enter.

    2. According to the language of Matt. 25:41, I will have to agree with you, but I will add this: that now it would be occupied with "goats."

    3. But we must never think that the fall of man took God by surprise and now he decides to jam them in with the devil and his minions, because it was never to be.
     
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    I like the way you put that Standing Firm.

    Was hell's original purpose the punishment of man or was it merely convenient to that end? Just how wrapped up is man's destiny in the actions and ultimate destiny of Satan?
     
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    Let's cut to the chase and just dive in...
    I personally think the scripture in the OP answers the question...

    But here we go folks.. this thread can either turn into a C/A thread..
    Or a ME thread... (just the trend here lately)

    C/A = God had to put the ones he didn't choose somewhere
    Or If someone doesn't want to be around God in this life, God is not going to force them to be around Him in eternity.


    ME= God has to put the disobedient Christians somewhere during the Millenial Reign..

    OH, I forgot... this could turn into a KJVO debate...
    God has to put the people that use and promote other versions someplace.
     
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    Here's an answer I think all can agree to:

    The ultimate end for anything God has created is His own glory. Sure, many of us will disagree on the how's and the when's. And we should as gentleman work toward the truth on those matters.

    But as to the reason God created all things, visible and invisible, were created by Him and for Him.

    1 Tim 1:17
    "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

    Time to go to bed now meditating on the glory of God. :sleep:
     
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    I never forget, a young member once asked me if God was running short on matches so started an eternal flame... :)

    I agree, no matter what Tiny thinks I see us going "FREEWILL"...
     
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    Why? To prove He could create something more torturous than rap music.
     
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    What is ME?

    I missed that one.
     
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    Part of the reason that the doctrine of hell has been questioned more and more in the modern and post modern eras is because we have a higher view of man and a lower view of God. God created hell, as Reformed Baptist said, for His own glory. He glorifies Himself through the punishment of sinners in hell, thus displaying his justice, and He glorifies Himself through the redemption of the elect displaying his mercy and grace (Romans 9).

    As Paul Washer says , 'This God is as terrible as He is wonderful.'
     
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    NOOOOOO!!!! Jkdbuck, you don't know what you're asking!!!!! Retract, retract!!!!!!! :eek:

    Okay, I'm better now! :D There are several threads on ME, Millinial Exclusion, over on the theology page. Be aware. It can be a scary, confusing discussion.

    Let's keep this one on track and someone tell me why Hell would need to be described or is best described from a freewill perspective?

    If hell is prepared for the devil and his angels (why isn't this word translated demon? sorry) what then is Hades?
     
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    You asked so here it goes...

    In some views, the purpose has to do with the guest list, some who believe in pre-destination would say God chose certian (the elect) folks to be with Him. The rest he created for hell. Others say one freely chooses to go to hell by rejecting the Gospel.
     
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    Uh oh! I feel a C/A discussion coming on! :eek:

    Would a loving God create folk to inhabit hell? Wouldn't that be kind of a waste of His time? Or.....

    Have we as humans gotten to high of a view of ourselves as Christianyouth believes?
     
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    I never thought the purpose for Hell was in question, but rather what is Hell?

    The older I get and the more I study the word, I find my views of Hell changing. I leave it as a separation of man from God, and that is surely hell.

    We need human understanding and hence the views of fire in scripture. Is it really a fire as we know fire, or is this simply a demonstrative word for this separation?

    Are we choosing God because we fear fire, or are we choosing God because we truly understand His love, His nature and His promise of eternal life.

    On the other theological viewpoints, including election, predestination and the order of the decrees, we must put them each in perspective order and not try to fit them into every possible situation. We will always fail. We have finite minds, and God is infinite.

    The end purpose of man is to Love God and then enjoy Him forever. Without the first he cannot experience the second. Now what is Hell, but separation from this possibility, whatever its makeup?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Lu 16:23 And in HELL he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENTS, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Lu 16:23 And he CRIED and said, father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Lu 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime recevedst thy good things, and likewise lazarus evil things: but noe he is comforted, and thou art tormented. Lu 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Lu 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: Lu 16:28 For I have five brethen; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Lu 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, they have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. Lu 16:30 And he said, NAY, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will REPENT. Lu 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not MOSES and the PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. This man new how to repent but he felled to do so. He sure wanted his brothers to repent. 2pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2 pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that SINNED, but cast them down to HELL, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a PREACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, bringing in the flood upon the world of the unGodly; 2pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ENSAMPLE unto those that after should live UNGODLY;
     
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    Whenever I start thinking about this and somebody says it is separation from God, I agree, but I'm sure that there is physical, eternal punishment. I mean, an eternal "time out" from God could hardly be considered punishment by someone who is indifferent to Him.

    Let me say it in another way, if hell is merely separation from God, how could it be considered a negative for someone who is indifferent to God or does not care to know Him? I mean, I can't stand the music of the Bee Gees, but if you were to tell me that hell was a place in which I didn't ever have to listen to the Bee Gees, nor have to listen to their fans go on and on about them, can such separation be hell?

    And there are those that believe God would not punish people eternally...but that their souls would be burnt up and consiousness would cease.
     
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    Even the unbelieving man on earth benefits from the mercies of God despite themselves. In eternity, they shall not benefit from any mercies, and this in itself will be eternal torment. ON earth they don't know what the abence of God's blessings may be. Hence the difference between life on earth, and earthly illustrations, and eternal life.

    Cheers,

    Jim

    PS. Just quoting scripture does nothing. Most of us are well aware of what is written.
     
  18. kubel

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    I agree with this. I think the common view among many who call themselves "Christians" is that God created Hell with the original intent of just throwing evil Satan and his demons there- and that man through his choice to reject just put himself there (as if it wasn't in Gods original plan to put man in Hell).

    And while that's true on the surface, we have to remember God is all knowing. He knew who would reject him from the beginning just as he knew who would accept him from the beginning. God created Hell knowing full well which of mankind (and I dare say most of mankind) would end up there.

    And while we all agree he loves all of us, we must also agree that he is 100% comfortable with his decision to send those of us that reject him there. God created all things for his glory. I suppose those that refuse to be part of that plan inevitably will be punished for his glory.
     
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    The very idea of men choosing to go to hell is foreign to the scriptures, Kubel. Men don't go to hell because they consciously reject Jesus Christ, they go to hell because they are sinners. There are multitudes who will never hear the name of Christ, and if they die, God will send them to hell, and be just in doing so.

    The doctrine of hell is a wonderful doctrine. Pedophiles, murderes, Michael Vick, these people will stand before a holy and wrath filled God and recieve the just reward for their crime, an eternity in unquenchable fire. This is good. We must not fall into the trap of modern Christendom that praises God for His grace but never for His justice.
     
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    this is nothing but pure speculation and opinion. There is no way to prove that there are people who NEVER hear the Gospel.
     

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