Why Did Jesus Have to Die?

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  1. Elk

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    Hello.
    I would like to know what is the official Baptist view on "why Jesus had to die".

    I know what I believe, but I would like to know what is the official Baptist view.
    Thank you very much.
     
  2. Gunther

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    Matthew the tax collector – to save his people from their sins
    Mark the halfhearted missionary – to give himself as a ransom for many
    Luke the physician – to prove his complete humanity
    John the beloved – to destroy the evil one
    Paul the tentmaker – to glorify God by destroying the power of sin
    Peter the fisher – to submit to the plan of the Father
    Hebrews author – to make atonement once and for all
    James Dobson – because people need a greater self-esteem
    The Pope – so we could worship an image
    Robert Schuller – to bring a positive message to the world that they really are okay
    Liberals – he didn’t die
    Muslims – it was actually Judas
    Jews – the disciples stole the body to the evidence is inconclusive as to his death
     
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    Joh 18:14 Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
    Joh 18:31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
    Joh 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

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  4. Elk

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    Yes, but what is the Baptist view on "why" He had to die?
    Also, Gunther, thank you (grin), but what is the Baptist view?
    Thank you very much.
     
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    Sin came into the world by one man, Adam. God exacted a penalty for sin, death. In the interim, God made a provision for man, sacrifice. To satisfy the eternal penalty and guilt for sin, a perfect sacrifice was required, the Lamb of God. Hence, the Baptist reason why Christ had to die.

    Thankfully, He conquered death and rose again and reigns in victory. The sure hope for mankind in Christ Jesus.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  6. Daniel Dunivan

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    There simply is no all-inclusive answer to your question. Baptists can provide multiple reasons for such a question. Why requires the answer to that question to be a unique set? Can't Jesus' be both satisfaction and example (or 100 other things)? You will find your answer(s) by asking the question what is Jesus' death supposed to fix? If it is God's wrath, then satisfaction/substitution. If it is ignorance of the nature of God, then Jesus died (and rose) as revelation of God. A hundred of these could be provided. Many without mutual exclusivity.

    Grace and Peace, Danny [​IMG]
     
  7. Elk

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    Dear Jim,
    Thank you for your message.
    I also believe that.
    And I believe also this...
    An important reason why Jesus died is because of the Covenants that were made in the Old Testament between God and man.

    And the beginning of Romans 7... clearly shows that we have a contract, a Law contract. Very binding with sin and our flesh.
    That example given in Romans 7, regarding marriage, is a very important one. When she/he dies, the other person is no longer bound by the marriage contract.

    In the same way, when we die to flesh and rise again a new creature in Christ, we are no longer bound by the Law that could not save us.

    Therefore, I believe that Jesus died to "end" the old covenant "for" one of the parties (Man OR God) who made the covenant had to die in order for the covenant to be "dissolved". Blood had to be shed. One of the parties of the Covenant had to die.

    Jesus, God, died in our place (Who did not sin and did not deserve to die) to "end" the Old Covenant, And begin a new one of Mercy and Grace. Thereby, we have also a New Covenant, oh, such a good Covenant.

    This is why I believe that baptism has always been so important to many Baptists in the past.
    I am so very astonished at how many people are sweeping baptism and communion under the carpet nowadays (as non-essentials).

    For me, baptism and communion is all so wonderful.
     
  8. Elk

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    Dear Daniel Dunivan,
    You also gave a very great answer.
    I also agree. I didn't see your answer until after I posted my previous message.
    It is so true, Jesus died for so many reasons.
    It is good to know the Truth.

    I look forward toward hearing what others say.
     
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    Because that was the compact the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit made before the foundation of the earth.
     
  10. Daniel David

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    Christ had to die becuase the father said to. That is the only reason why he HAD to die.

    Now, there are severals different things he accomplished with his death, but that is another story.
     
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    He didn't have to die. He chose to. No one (including the Father) could make Him. He became obedient. (Philippians 2)

    From a human persective - He had to die in order for anyone to be saved. Humanity could only be saved by a perfect human sacrifice. (Hebrews 2)
     
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    PastorGreg, Christ DID HAVE to die on the cross. Christ said he only does those things that he has seen and heard of the father. He always does the fathers will, etc.
     
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    He only obeyed the Father because He chose to become obedient. He is absolutely co-equal with the Father in every way. The Father did not eternally have authority over Him. He did not have to die. He chose to. True there was no other way for man to be saved, but He did not have to save us. In His grace, He chose to.
     
  14. Daniel David

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    Actually Greg, the Father does have authority over the Son. Yes they are co-equal and co-eternal.

    A man and woman are co-equal in nature, worth, etc. However, God has designed us to fulfill our own roles. The man has been assigned the position of leadership. That doesn't mean he is worth more. He just has a different role.

    If you read in 1 Cor. 11, you see that Paul argues that very thing.
     
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    Christ had to die because it was the Father's will. He died that we might live.
     
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    Christ had to die because we couldn't inherit anything from someone who hadn't died.
     
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    Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
    7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

    Jesus had to die to take away our sins. If He had not died we would ALL still be in our sins.
     
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    Jesus (GOD) had to die so that the beneficiaries of His will could gain access to their inheritance (Heb. 9: 16). One cannot obtain the assets of a will until the Testator who wrote the will first dies (Heb. 9: 17).

    When GOD died on the cross, the beneficiaries of the will recieved their inheritance - which is eternal life. Eternal life is obtained through inheritance (Mark 10: 17, Luke 10: 25, Luke 18: 18). So, that is why GOD (Jesus) had to die on the cross. Best. latterrain77
     

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