Why do the CONs want to withold Medical Care from those who need it?

Who said this? And why didn't Christ heal everyone? Seems like Christ's values are different than yours. First, he didn't say thing that weren't true, and second, he didn't heal everyone and he didn't give them everything that he could have given them.

Many of us have repeatedly pointed out that everyone has access to health care.

And who is this referring to?

 

Everyone in this country already can recieve medical care.
Why don't these people get jobs?
Some would rather continue free hand outs to those who do not want to work, sit on their butts all day and watch tv, smoke and drink.
Nothing biblical about that.

 

Which teaching is that?

 

The difference between health care and health insurance has been described in full.

Feel free to ask if you have trouble understanding the big words.

 

unfortunately, CTB thinks that God can't help people unless He gets an assist from the government.

Sad.

 

When I was a paramedic, I remember went you went into Zurbrug (sp?) Hospital's ER, there was a big sign right by the door that explained that you could NOT be denied care due to inability to pay.

 

But Jesus also said, "Inasmuch as you have lobbied the government to feed the least of these, you have done it unto Me". Or, at least that's what Obama says.

 

I take it you haven't been in an emergency room lately. Waiting for hours is common, regardless of your ability to pay.

Define "easily".

If they're that poor, why haven't they applied for Medicaid?

Again, everybody waits for hours. That's not a lack of insurance issue, that's just the nature of hospital emergency rooms.

Um...are you listening to what you're saying? What you call "general hospitals" are usually run by the government. If the government cannot give good care in that situation, then why do you want them to run the entire health care system?

Ever been into a VA hospital? When I was a paramedic, I routinely had to take patients to VA hospitals and military hospitals like Walston Army Hospital and the Philadelphia Naval Hospital. Government run hospitals are notorious for bad care and terrible conditions. So why do you want the same people who can't run them to be in charge of the whole industry?

 

Crabtrollboy, could you please show us where Christ said that it's the responsibility of the state to take over health care?

 

HR3200 IMO is not about making medical help available to "more" people but less people in terms of actual life sustaining care while under the guise of covering all people.

Take the Bill in one hand and Dr. Immanuel's writings in the other.
Read them.

You will find that 20-40 is the optimum age range for prioritized health care. Pre-kindergarten children, special needs persons (Down's syndrome)and the elderly would be prioritized at the lowest end of the spectrum because of "limited social investment" value.

Help me here someone, anyone, with this abstract from HR3200 (it would help to first read pages 424-432 (SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION) of this convoluted bill in the section concerning "end of life" and "ESRD (End Stage Renal Disease").

"(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment"

The question I have is from reading these pages is why is it necessary for the signed order to be for "life sustaining treatment"? In other words the default treatment for ESRD will now be to let them die and "life sustaining treatment (such as kidney dialysis)" would necessitate a written order.

One might say that this is what is already required for ESRD. Right now the standard treatment prescribed by most doctors is dialysis (or you can find one who will prescribe dialysis), However after the bill passes, the government will be running the life-death prescription lottery. Prove that wrong from HR3200. This bill (IMO) is carefully word-smithed and grammar-crafted to avoid inflammatory terms such as "abortion", "euthanasia", "rationing", etc.

In another section it is stated that the Secretary of Health would draw up a document outlining standard treatments for diseases including ESRD.

That alone should be a blinking red light. This bill needs to be thrown out until the government in a multi-partisan way (I am an Independent) spells out exactly what they mean with no second-guessing required.

Yes everyone will be mandated for (not provided for) under 1 of 3 categories 1) abortion (already legalized), 2) prioritized and/or rationed healthcare or 3) "death with dignity" (already legalized in 2 states).


HankD

 

Wasn't that the practice started by Michelle Obama and Obama advisor Axelrod at the University of Chicago Hospital Emergency Room?

 

Only a Marxist would insist that it is the federal governments job to provide medical care. If some of the mega churches would stop building palaces perhaps they could provide a little help to those who need it.