Why do we teach our children to Lie?

Can you prove that date is not his 'birthday?' The evidence might win a civil case, which is based on preponderance of the evidence, but you couldn't be convicted of the crime of perjury by saying that is his birthday by virtue of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

I believe I could...
Based on the evidence set forth on the DVD that Helen's Husband, Barry Setterfield has produced... "The Christmas Star"

Here is a hint.. he was born during Lambing season... Imagine that, the Lamb of God being born in lambing season... who would have thunk it!
Only 2 times during the yr were the sheep in the fields at night.. other times they were in the sheep fold... These 2 times were in the spring and fall... No where near Dec 25.

But these 2 times when the ewes were ready to deliver the shepherds would take them out of the fold so the new lambs would not be trampled...


Get the DVD (it is being advertised here on BB) and look at the evidence...

FWIW, I told my kids, Dec 25 is when we celebrate Jesus' birth.. but he could have been born another day.

 

ST NICK, you are starting to think like me!!! :wavey:

 

Tim,
This is probably not a fact, but once I read that Zacharias, father of John the Baptist, in the division of Abijah, was serving in the Temple the week of June 25th according to old records. If this is true, then that is when John was conceived. Six months after John, Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, or late December. That would put His birthday in late September. Have you ever heard this?

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

 

That may be part of "preponderance of the evidence" but it's not "beyond a reasonable doubt." If you're trying to recall an incident from years ago and you can remember that it happend at 7 p.m. and sun was almost "down," there are only 2 short periods, in the spring and the fall, that 7 p.m. is 'almost sunset.' So, if that is what you know timewise, does that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the incident did not take place on June 10?

 

I have this DVD , ordered it a few months ago, it is excellent,:thumbs: I recommend all to try to watch it. My pastor is going to play it at the evening meeting this week, it is in 3 parts, of about 15-20 mins each. We aim to watch one part at a time and discuss.
Gwyneth

 

Exactly, and that is on the DVD..

And following the statements in the Bible, combined with jewish history, and other historical facts... September is probably the month Jesus was born.

 

:laugh: As a pre-law student, I find this statement absolutely hilarious! :laugh: :applause:

I don't see anything wrong with Santa either. Frankly, it's more fun for hubby and me to play Santa than it is for the kids to get the presents. We don't have a lot of money, so they don't ever get much anyway. We always emphasize that Jesus is the reason for the season.

So, all you mean people let us alone, and quit saying there is no Santa! You're ruining all my fun! :tear:

 

Hmmm... Never thought about it like that. I've always said to them that Christmas was celebrating Jesus' birth, but I could see them making the not-too-distant logical conclusion that Jesus was born on December 25.

 

But we are not talking about a civil court of law. Let's get back to God's Word, and what it says about the date of the Nativity. Is there the slightest biblical evidence that this took place on 25th December? If there is, please tell me where to find it. Is there biblical evidence that it probably did not happen in December? Tiny Tim has already mentioned it. The shepherds were out on the hills looking after the sheep at night. That would not have been the case in December. Does the bible tell us the date of the Nativity? As far as I am aware, the answer is, "No."

 

You may be surprised what the Bible tells us about the Nativity.

I got this CD that is advertised at the top of the BB:

The Christmas Star - astronomy, history, and the Bible -
the truth may surprise you www.setterfield.org

I was very surprised! Before you say we are lying when we celebrate Jesus' birth on December 25th, maybe you ought to buy the CD also. It is scriptural to a "T".

 

Maybe, but I think the surprise is more likely at what the bible doesn't tell us about the Nativity.

There are many things that seem to be assumed by many people to be essential elements of the Nativity that are not so much as mentioned in Scripture. Some examples: The number of wise men. The names of the wise men (by tradition, Caspar, Melchior and Balthasar). The wise men being kings. Mary riding a donkey to Bethlehem. Mary wearing a blue dress. An "inn keeper" who tells Mary and Joseph, "No room!" Animals surrounding the manger. Shepherds seeing the star the wise men followed (as, for instance in the carol, "The First Nowell"). Wise men following a star all the way from their home to Bethlehem. Angels singing when they visited the shepherds.

Some of those examples might be true - Mary may have worn a blue dress, but the bible doesn't tell us. There may have been three wise men, but the bible doesn't tell us any of them.

The bible's account of the Nativity is far simpler than many make it. For instance, concerning the birth itself, and the manger (animal's feeding trough), Luke 2.6-7 says simply:

6 So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. 7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

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No. Is that a point of concern for you?

Well, congratulations! So what do you plan to do on Dec. 25? Picket Catholic churches having "Christ's Mass" that day? But even though this is an applesauce issue, that method of searching the scriptures was used by the Pharisees, from which they made the conclusion "a prohet does come from Galilee." [Just to show that this method-- that something can't be because scripture does not say it can-- could have far greater consequences than what season we send out cards that show Mary riding a jackass.]

 

Come on, Alcott, that is reading far more into my reply than was there. I made no mention of Roman Catholics, of "Christ's Mass" or Christmas cards. I was just replying to your earlier post where you issued what looked like a challenge of some sort, to give proof that Jesus was not born on 25th December.

 

Did you ever play the role of a donkey in a Christmas skit?

 

Brother Lamb: Actually, there are no assumptions in 'The Christmas Story' CD. They are proven facts by a Creation Scientist.

Did you know that it was NOT a public Inn where Mary and Jesus stayed? They really were not even turned away...in the sense we usually think of being turned away.

 

No, but I'm sure you have. Did you wear those same colors when you played it, or is that a more recent pic of you?

 

I played a donkey in the 3rd grade... in our children's choir musical "Three Wee Kings." My name was Russell. :thumbs:

 

Sorry, I am Blessed 17, I should have made my meaning clearer. I was talking about unbiblical assumptions made by people generally about the nativity of the Saviour. (I cannot and would not comment on the CD because I have never heard it.)

Regarding the "inn", no, I didn't know that it was not the public inn. I've looked at several commentaries on Luke 2.7, and those that comment on the nature of the "inn" say that it was a khan or caravanserai, or crude lodging-place for travellers and their animals. Robertson, in his "New Testament Word Pictures," says:

A lodging-house or khan, poor enough at best, but there was not even room in this public place because of the crowds for the census.....There would sometimes be an inner court, a range or arches, an open gallery round the four sides. On one side of the square, outside the wall, would be stables for the asses and camels, buffaloes and goats. Each man had to carry his own food and bedding.


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However, I am also told by the concordance that the Greek word used can indeed mean a guest-chamber.
Once again, apologies for the confusion of my earlier post.