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Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges / Seminaries' started by Jabbezzz, Feb 19, 2005.
Why does Jack Hyles and his school get so much flack?
Do a search on the topic here on the BB. This topic has been discussed MANY times.
One word....Adultery.I was saddened greatly when I learned about it...I had always respected him as a great preacher of the gospel before that.Pride goeth before a fall.
Hmmmm, sounds a bit like King David.
Well, that surely makes it okay then.
The man had no morals and yet people still respected him and follow his teachings!
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables
His theology was atrocious, as well as his morals.
His boasting and pride were kind of obvious, too.
He claimed to have preached 50,000 sermons. Would anyone like to do the math on that?
Assuming he preached for 50 years, that is 1000 sermons a year, or 2.74 sermons a day, 365 days a year for 50 years!
Why the need to exaggerate? We humorously refer to this as "evangelistically speaking."
Now the pastor that has followed him is claiming in Christianity Today that they baptized 15,000 souls last year, 10,000 the year before, and have now set a goal for 25,000 this year. Yet there new sanctuary only holds 7500.
Can you imagine that? 50,000 baptisms in three years!
Why is there such a need to inflate the truth? It is unseemly.
Paul excellent points. I grew up about 10 mins from FBC Hammond and the Hyles legend, and know all about the arrogance and boasting. It is really sad, and must grieve the Holy Spirit of God.
You are kidding, right?
In 1996, FBC boasted over 15,000 souls saved during on a single Sunday morning service. I don't buy that story.
I remember, when I was a student at Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac, MI. My friend as graduated MBC student. He told me, he grew up in Gary, Indiana 3 miles away from FBC. He was brought to FBC, and was baptized there when he was 9 years old. But, he does not understand the gospel, because a man witnessed to him TOO FAST. Then many years later when he was in navy at Philippine Islands, he finally got understand salvation, and accepted Christ. Because he listened the gospel, it tooks more time for him to understand the gospel.
I doubt, all of 15,000 souls are actual saved duirng on a single Sunday morning on Pentacost Day in year 1996. Only God knows their hearts. I can't judge FBC, as what it claims.
I think Dr. Hyles was boast for the numbers, show America, he thinks his church is the world's best church. I dislike his attitude. That was his pride and ego.
Also, I read another site, it says, that Dr. Hyles, himself claims, he won 750,000 souls to Christ in his personal soul winning. I do not buy his claim. Only God knows.
Apostle Paul never saying how many souls he won them to Christ in his ministry in the 13 epistles. Because he was humble same with Christ.
I remember, I did heard that Dr. HYles was used to be President for Colorado Bible College many years ago during 1980's. I am not sure, where I read the article about that.
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
Having been a member of Hammond FBC from '76-'78 while at HAC, my response is "Many are baptized, but are many converted?" I doubt it. If even a quarter of those baptized from the Chicago area were truly converted, the impact upon the metro would be incredible.
Bill, my thoughts exactly!
Does anyone know if First Baptist Hammond is a highly respected church among the fundamentalists who read Sword of the Lord? I know that is a kind of broad not too specific question. I have not seen nor read a Sword of the Lord in quite some time, but saw one yesterday. First Hammond had a full page ad for an upcoming pastor's conference. I guess I had assumed the Sword might not look all that favorably on Hyles/First BC.
I was member there for eight years so let me add my .02 to this discussion. For those that doubt the claim of the current pastor about salvations and baptisms I urge you to spend some time there and look into their ministry. Yes their new auditorium will only seat 7,500 but remember that is only one auditorium there are several different sevices going on at the same time ther is also several different times formats for services and they also have several locations in which they minister. They have several inner-city missions reaching out to the African-American community as well as a Chines mission and they are trying to start a Spanish mission inside the city limits of Chicago. And why is 50,000 baptisms in three years so hard to believe I was there I do not doubt that claim one bit. I know I know someone is going to tell me they rode bus and got baptized several times. I'm not going to say that doesn't happen but it is not as common as you try to make it out to be. You know What I don't get why some of you can not just mind you own business and church and leave FBC alone let God decide whether they need to be judged. If you do not agree with them fine just concentrate on the road that God has given you to travel.
I appreciate your passion, but it is our business to warn others about becoming involved in a ministry that we believe contradicts biblical teaching. I was there, too, and worked a bus route in Chicago with my wife. You're right about the different places services are held and that 50K baptisms over three years is obtainable the way FBC does things. My point, though, is that something is amiss when you can have all the baptisms FBC has had since Jack Hyles became pastor and now that his son-in-law is pastor. If those were true conversions, the Hammond-Chicago area would be the Mecca of Christianity. And it just isn't.
I agree with you. One thing that I cannot tell you what Jack offered his good friend is that you would be awestruck to learn worst happens.
Perhaps all of Hyles' new converts went to Willow Creek, which explains their exponential growth.
I have read through these posts and would like to add my 2 cents worth.
Not all at FBC nor at Hyles /Anderson College is perfect. I find several things that I do not agree with.
I bet we could all look at each other and say the same thing.
The fact is ... they run more in one Sunday than most of us would have totaled in one year.
Are there false professions by some? Yes.
Are some baptized twice etc.? Probably so
I could go on, but I bet that we all have had folks slip through the cracks etc. at our church IF we are doing anything for the Lord.
As to the immorality.....
Come now - some of you have posted that as IF you were there and know ALL.
Jack Hyles never admitted immorality ...
It turned out that the accusations were false
jack Hyles did ... at one time ... offer his resignation to the deacons at FBC and they declined.
Why did he offer? because he did not want to bring any harm to that church.
How do I know these things?
I have spoken to Dr. Hyles on these things privately; as well as a few other connections I have had.
I was not nor imply that I was close to hyles ... was not.
I had him preach for me and we conversed privately on 4 or 5 occasions.
As for pastors ... I know of several who are pastoring who have had adulterous affairs and have been accqused child abusers. They run 40-50 to about 100.
They stir no dust and no one says a thing.
Maybe there is jealousy about Hyles
OR are all of the other Baptist church perfect?
Just musing and thinking
Whether or not he was immoral, his doctrine basically was heresy. From belief that any person that has been saved has only been saved through a KJV, also for example when I heard in a sermon of his myself when he said "Lordship salvation" makes him want to puke, etc. He had a lot of problems that shouldn't just be "swept under the rug."