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Why Foods Stamps Don't Work

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by matt wade, Oct 24, 2009.

  1. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

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    They were not doing their job. Which is why the government was forced to step in!

    Shame on us! Spending hundreds of millions of dollars on fancy buildings, while the government does the work for the Body of Christ!

    The government should not just sit idly by why people starve to death. They provide billions of dollars to help feed other countries. They can provide for this country, too.
     
  2. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    You are a joke. Why don't you do like I said previously and add me to your ignore list or whatever? You are part of the problem. You openly admit you scammed the system and spent other people's money on laundry and cancer sticks.
     
  3. tinytim

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    Sometimes Brand names cost less than store brands.. when you do the cost comparison per Oz. on the stickers placed on the shelves below the item. It may surprise many to know this.. but just because it is labeled generic doesn't mean it is a good value for the money... . . . For instance a generic size peanut butter the other day cost more per oz of a name brand... When I put the 2 jars side by side, they looked the same, but when I looked at the ounces, the generic had less in the jar because the &quot;bubble&quot; on the bottom of the jar sank in further than the name brand. Also, a generic can of corn a lot of times is mostly water... compared to a name brand jar.. .and in the long run, it costs more...
     
  4. Sakuras

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    Hello,

    I think it is good we have welfare and these food stamps. A help for people who for whatever reason needs it to eat or survive. Name brands, sounds yummy.

    I think these people likely don't know how to balance their finances, perhaps obtuse in some way to these concerns "store brand vs name brand".

    Cash for smokes and drinks. Again, these people are finding a way to cope with their life. Right or wrong.

    What can you do? You just do your best and help when you can, even if that means paying money for food stamps or welfare so others can live some sort of life.

    You take away that help, even if it is abused by some, and we will have to deal with all sorts of unfortunate consequences.
     
  5. annsni

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    That's right!! Those poor people had better be WAY better than us and not have any addictions or stinky pits. God forbid!! They should KNOW they need to wash their laundry down at the river on rocks - it serves them right!
     
  6. Gina B

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    Yah yah yah. I've seen far too many talk like this and then fall flat on their face and need the same help they whined about others getting.

    I didn't see anything about an ignore list. I don't have one because I find it odd yet amusing to watch grown Christian men throw hissy fits and allow the whole world to witness it. :tongue3:

    BTW, care to admit approximately how much money is stolen from you in an average year...after your taxes are finished and you're done paying in or getting a refund?

    And thanks for the name brand corn flakes. They were delicious! Don't worry, I paid it back. Now you get to thank me for the maintained roads you drive on.
     
  7. annsni

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    :thumbs: :smilewinkgrin:
     
  8. Salty

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    HD, I agree with the above 101% These mega-churches do not need to be spending those excessive amount of $ to build a new church building.

    Here in Syracuse, a Nazarene church had a building that would sit about 200- the grew quite a bit and built a new building that would sit about 500. BTW, the new building was at least 5 miles away. If I were a voting member, I would have voted to build a new building - but one the approximately the same size as the current one - and then there would be two churches - since there was a good amount of distance between the old and new site.
     
  9. Sakuras

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    Hello,

    The mega-churches should be in an open field. If you get rained on, take an umbrella. If it snows, bundle up. And if it's hot, wear a hat.

    Mega-churches are cash cows.
     
  10. abcgrad94

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    This is true, Tim. I used to shop at Aldi's because their canned goods were cheap, until I realized their canned vegetables and soup had much more sodium than some other brands. If one has high blood pressure, generic might not be the healthiest brand.
     
  11. Gina B

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    Good points!

    I love the idea of community gardening and was involved in it for a time. I'd love to restart! We did organic gardening. It helped provide for us, was fun, and we were able to share the rest with a local food pantry. It's an AWESOME way for those who don't have space to have a garden at home to save money, eat healthier, and if possible, help others at the same time. Plus I grew an amazing pepper that I'll never shut up about for as long as I live! :D
     
  12. Twizzler

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    Wow this board has so many bleeding hearts. I've seen some that do need foodstamps and I'm quite happy to have part of my taxes go to them, but I'm in a position to see a lot that's going on and when you get folks that have EBT cards with balances well over $6,000 something is HORRIBLY wrong.

    There's a certain crowd that takes advantage of welfare and they will even refuse to take better paying jobs because it will affect their benefits. How sick is that!?

    Of course I'm not going to lose any sleep over this as I know our gracious Lord will see to us and keep us, but knowing that these unfair practices continue to grow and grow and grow has me concerned for my kids and grandkids.

    I like the idea of a commisary where food stamps can be used, but it's just way too much for the gov't to control. It's out of control now and we'll never get a handle on it as long as it exists.
     
  13. annsni

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    How do you know the balance of the card? And did you know that now the government is using the EBT card to put ALL benefits on it? It's not just food stamps? I looked it up and for my family of 6, the most I could get in food stamps is $800 something dollars. To get $6,000 in food stamps would mean that I'd NOT have to spend my money for over 7 months. I am sure that if someone had a balance fo $6000, that there are other benefits on that card and it may be being used to pay rent and medical bills in addition to their food.

    I agree that there are those who abuse the system but it's certainly not 95% like someone here stated. Additionally, if we personally know someone who is abusing the system, there is a way to report them and it is our duty to do so.
     
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    Wait your turn!:tongue3:
     
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    Food stamps don't work because they are "free" to one person and very expensive to another. It's just another government shell game designed to buy votes.
     
  16. Nonsequitur

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    How many times do I have to tell you people?

    Quit confusing the liberals with the facts!

    Sheesh!
     
  17. donnA

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    and we want to give these same people free health care, they'll never have to work again.
     
  18. donnA

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    Just how does a person get a $6000 ebt balance? And how would anyone else know their balance? they do not let you accumilate unused portios. But you can deposit into that account and use it like a debt card.
     
  19. Dragoon68

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    Food stamps should be canned and cancelled!
     
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    Some are saying that the government is under reporting the unemployment rate. These critics reason that the rate is actually closer to 20%, higher in some places.
    Assuming that most of these are recently unemployed and drawing unemployment (a form of "welfare"), in most states, this is a fraction of what they were earning, and it is not scaled to dependant care, we should not be surprised that there is an increase in food stamp use...... some of whom may appear to be affluent.

    I don't know if this is a practice in other areas of the country, but the stores I've seen ring up goods purchased with a EBT card, have computerized cash registers which ring up and separate as not allowed, cash pay products from those which are permitted to be bought on the card: I was recently surprised to see a purchase of cheese (same price per pound as another 'allowed') refused at the register...(and it wasn't an exotic flavor or brand!).

    I've only used the card once...... post hurricane..... when funds were low and food spoilage was high due to power outage. I was grateful to have the 'help'.

    Do I think it is constitutional? No, I do not! Do I resent the use of assistance by some who use them? No I don't. It has, unfortunately, become a part of the structure of our society..... and is socialistic.....just like social security, on which I am now dependant. I look back and realize, before I throw the blame to others, including the government, I must also accept my part in giving consent to the socialism we have come to accept, if through ignorance and/or apathy, by not doing anything..... but talk about it.

    It used to be that farmers got subsidies price supports which encouraged them to produce certain products which were then government warehoused, stored, and distributed to needy populations. Hoop cheese, powdered milk, peanut butter, butter and some dry staples such as dried beans, rice or grain, were the foods of the hungry poor....... No money, No stamps. But some who found they had more than they could use would trade their commodities for farm grown meat, eggs, vegetables. The school lunch program also benefitted from these commodities as they also received some commodities which were incorporated into the menus to lessen the expense on the families and permit the poorest children to eat free. The small family farm benefitted from the price supports as well as the poor in communities across areas which participated in such programs. However, much has changed since the 40's, 50's, 60's...... and most of our food is produced by corporate farmers on corporate farms: Some of these got their start, no doubt, from the collective pooling of investments and taking advantage of price supports and subsidies until their economy and efficiency became overly competitive with the smaller farms and the smaller family farm could not compete well with the intensive labor, equipment, and chemicals needed, and regulations which increased, to produce a living wage.

    As we have become government dependant, ......paying taxes and accepting, in return, promises that our government would provide an 'insurance' for the responsibilities and risks normal to life...... disabilities, poverty, retirement, too many of us have failed to realize...... or have been hindered by the direct and indirect removal and control of our wealth, from providing for ourselves and accepting our full responsibility.

    In a sense, it is a godless society of providence: Instead of the freedom to work and earn and possess and choice to give and help others ..........and a dependance upon our Creator for our providence in all things ...........man has attempted to turn the risks of living and dependance upon God to the faithless trust and dependancy to that of corruptible flesh to take from us a portion of what God has provided and return to us, at some later date, a providence in our need. We have mortgaged our futures on the wings of easy credit in much the same way as our government has! While complaining about our own wages as being unfair, we have invested in the very industry which was a provider of our employment, and have welcomed the cheaper prices produced with the cheaper labor and coercsion of 'third world' societies.

    As we might judge another, without knowing their circumstances...... do we have the honesty to see and judge ourselves ........and see that in some way or another, most of us are also a product of the same condition .......and some dependancy on government.

    Moreover, while we may not be in a position to change it, is it sufficient upon our conscience to see our own failings and to repent and ask God to help us...... and to restore our faith and dependancy on him and to show us how, bit by bit, we can repair those principals which we have neglected which have brought us to this state of condition?
     
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