Why I am against Undeclared Wars...and FOR Ron Paul..

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  1. Havensdad

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  2. Benjamin

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    I think the man has an irrational ostrich mentality that will cause us to get bit in the rear. His views reminds me of the examples of Carter policies and the enemy taking advantage of his “staying out of it” by such things as taking hostages which were quickly released before Reagan got into office because it was apparent Reagan was not going to take such actions against us while sitting down.

    Iran ain't going away any time soon and if left alone to their devices WILL be knocking at our doors, to wait until that happens is not only irresponsible but grounded in irrational thinking. Paul is not the kind of leader I want looking out for our protection.
     
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    You left out the part about why the Iranians held those hostages. It was in response to our meddling in their affairs in 1953. I say meddling (harsh word) but what we really did was to run a false flag terror campaign (blowing things up and killing people) to overthrow the government and install a dictator who would (reluctantly at first) kiss American and British oil interests behinds by not nationalizing Iran's oil.

    How many times do you reckon you can kick a dog before he turns around bites you? And when he does, who're you gonna blame you or the dog?

    Why, the dog of course! If you're part of the "national security establishment" or the mainstream media that carries water for the NSE.

    That's been our foreign policy in a nutshell (pun intended) for a long time. Way before Carter even!

    God forbid a man like Ron Paul ever comes alongs and changes it. It's been working so good up till now. For a very select few.

    And the rest of us? Well, we gotta pay for it all, I say we but I really mean is our children's children's children.
     
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    Then all Congress has to do is to declare war with Iran, in accordance with the Constitution, and Paul will fight that war aggressively. I certainly don't want draft dodgers, like Newt and Romney fighting those wars! :laugh:
     
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    Somehow I get the feeling that when/if that dog jumps the fence and bites your loved ones in the rear you gunna be the one screaming the loudest we didn't do enough.
     
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    Don't care for either one (actually, any of the 3) myself. Afraid Paul is sending out invitations which will eventually bring reason for him to "get aggressive". Easier to nip it in the bud, I think.
     
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    No, I'll be the one putting the blame squarely where it belongs. On the ones who have a long long long and very well documented history of tormenting dogs to the point they become a dangerous threat to everyone.

    And then act like our heros while claiming to be protecting us from all the mad dogs they've helped to create. Rational? Hardly.

    Neocon half truths (and I'm giving credit where it isn't due here) don't cut it anymore. We've heard em way too many times.

    You guys never tell the whole story you always leave out the part about how and why the dogs became mean and dangerous in the first place. Nope you'll skip that part and go straight to the "what if a mad dog bites your loved ones"? You'll be sorry then! :rolleyes:
     
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    I put down dogs that tend to bite people, rather than feed them and allow them to make puppies. I think I'd be casting some blame on anyone who ignored such a poor disposition and allowed it to multiply.
     
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    Okay so you don't care how or why the dogs got mean and dangerous in the first place then. You just want to keep playing the hero by protecting people against mean and dangerous dogs.

    I get it. And what do you get out of it? More money, power and control over everyone's lives?

    That's what Uncle Sam and Big Sis get out of it. They need mean and dangerous dogs to protect us from.

    All Ron Paul is saying is stop making so many dogs mean and dangerous and we'll reduce our risk of being bitten. We may still get bit because some dogs are born to bite people and those are the ones you go after. It's not only counter productive to keep making all these dogs mean and dangerous it's not very smart either.
     
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    I think he is saying we need to judge people's disposition before they are allowed to have children. And kill the ones we don't like. It may be the scariest thing I have read in a long time.
     
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    Mean and dangerous dogs are what they are. I don't care if one day a long time ago a kid that happened to live in neighborhood ran a stick along the fence; when that nasty dog becomes a threat because some one doesn't latch the gate tight enough, or he figures out how to jump fence, or bites off the fingers of someone who dares reach in to give him a bone it doesn't matter how he got that way, he better not be a threat to me and mine or I'll put him down the first time he tries to come in my yard even if I have to chase him back into his dog house I helped build to do it.
     
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    I think you are reminding me of a neighbor of a bad pit-bull owner who would facilitate the breeding of dangerous dogs with poor dispositions and then when it lashes out and kills an innocent kid blame it on the kid for going too near the yard and rather than wanting to dispose of the bad dogs he joins up with PETA activist.
     
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    I think you don't think very much.
     
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    Not me. I've been reading the NDAA. That's the scariest thing I've read since the Military Commissions Act.

    Of course the mass dream media would rather bring up 20 year old charges against Ron Paul than report on the most dangerous piece of legislation in American history. Go figure.
     
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    Right.

    So you admit that you care not how many mean and dangerous dogs are created by a long policy of kicking them around just as long as you can act the part of the tough guy hero protecting the kiddies from the mean and dangerous dogs the long policy of kicking dogs created.

    You just wanna look and act like a hero while ignoring the long policy of kicking dogs until they turn mean and dangerous. I get it. Changing the insane policy of kicking dogs until they turn mean and dangerous is out of the question. You'd rather deal with them after they turn mean and dangerous. You can still look (and feel) like a hero as long as there are mean and dangerous dogs being created and there are enough people that fear them.

    And as long as there are mean and dangerous dogs being created you can create a condition of fear among the people you claim to be protecting so they'll willingly give you anything you ask to keep them safe from the mean and dangerous dogs. Like maybe more money, more power and more control?

    I get it.
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure all the people who died in 911 were just money hungry dog kickers and deserved what they got. ...Oh wait, that was a government conspiracy and we actually staged that ourselves...so we could look like heroes...right. Gotcha

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    So let me get this straight, Benjamin; you don't think it is even POSSIBLE, that out of the hundreds of thousands of children, and millions of adults we have killed in the middle east, it is NOT EVEN POSSIBLE that any of the terrorists might have been motivated by anger? Not even POSSIBLE that some of the people organizing, might have some other reason that they want to hurt us?

    Tell you what, if you were living in Canada, and China came over and blew up 70,000 innocent civilians (not counting the soldiers!), to set up a dictator that it could control, in order to garner oil reserves and to set up a place where it could establish a base, and push back against the U.S.A, would this not make you a little upset? Now, all of the folks who were moderates, somewhat peaceful, suddenly become incensed. How do you think the guy who just had the arms and legs blew off his 6 year old little girl, is going to respond when the Islamic terrorist recruiter comes knocking? Do you think he is gonna go, "No, the Chinese are a wonderful government of peace!" Or do you think he's going to say, "Sign me up!"?

    Sorry, but your position that us blowing up, starving to death through sanctions, and murdering hundreds of thousands of people in the middle east, has nothing to do with the terrorism we are facing...that is just NUTS. :tonofbricks:
     
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    HD,
    You have convinced me. The Middle East terrorist are completely innocent due to self-defense.

    And likewise the US is total guilty of killing thousands of innocent Germans during WW II. In fact, I am going to write to my Senator and insist that the US pay war repartitions to Germany.
     
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    Yeah, way to re-direct there...

    I didn't say they were completely innocent. I said they were motivated. Please do not put words in my mouth.

    So, Salty, you also say that there is NO CHANCE, that any of the hundreds of thousands of people we killed in the Middle east, had anything to do with the terrorists anger? Ability to recruit? Are you really that naive? Why do you think people in the middle east are sub-human? Wouldn't a Muslim father act the same way that I would? Cause if China or Russia blew up my kid, I would want revenge...
     
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    "I certainly don't want draft dodgers, like Newt and Romney fighting those wars! :laugh:"

    from wikipedia: "Draft evasion is a term that refers to an intentional failure to comply with the military conscription policies of one's nation. Such practices that do not involve law breaking or which are based on conscientious objection are sometimes referred to as "draft avoidance." Refusing to submit the draft is considered a criminal offence in most countries where conscription is in effect.


    "Those who practice draft evasion are sometimes pejoratively referred to as "draft dodgers," a term which was made popular during the Vietnam War."


    From Republican-candidates.org:


    "Gingrich received a draft deferment during the Vietnam War owing to the fact that he was studying at the time in Tulane University and he had children. In addition, he was also impaired with short-sightedness and had flat feet (pes planus)."


    "• Before joining college, Romney had received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon 'minister of religion' for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years. At the time, there was an agreement of sorts between the church and the Selective Service allowing exemptions from the draft for missionaries. Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies.

    "• In April 1965, Romney registered with the Selective Service but was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. When he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew a high number in the annual draft lottery and at that time no one drawing higher than 195 was drafted."


    Your statement could use further proof me thinks.
     
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