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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by skanwmatos, Apr 15, 2004.

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  1. skanwmatos

    skanwmatos New Member

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    You don't have to answer my question because you know you are wrong? I already know that. And so do you.

    Everybody knows that "meet" is not translated from "ezer" as Strong's says it is. That is a mistake. Stronger Strong's corrects that mistake.

    Your not liking Mr. Kohlenberger is a smokescreen. He may not be orthodox according to your judgment, but neither were the Anglican translators of the KJV.

    By your logic the KJV must be wrong because all of the translators were baby sprinkling Anglicans!

    Sorry, but that just won't fly.

    The KJV is not wrong and neither is the Stronger Strong's.
     
    #81 skanwmatos, Apr 23, 2004
  2. Askjo

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    No, because Mr. Kohlenberger is a W/H man.
    [​IMG]
    YOU quoted:
    You contradict yourself. :confused:
     
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  3. skanwmatos

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    What is a "W/H" man? You are aware that Westcott and Hort have been dead for about 100 years, aren't you? And, also, Stronger Strong's is based on the KJV not on any of the modern versions. And, of course, the modern eclectic text is far removed from the work of Westcott and Hort.
    Is that an admission that you were wrong?
    No, I don't, but I can understand your confusion. You are trying to talk about something you know absolutely nothing about.
     
    #83 skanwmatos, Apr 23, 2004
  4. Askjo

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    What is a "W/H" man? You are aware that Westcott and Hort have been dead for about 100 years, aren't you? And, also, Stronger Strong's is based on the KJV not on any of the modern versions. And, of course, the modern eclectic text is far removed from the work of Westcott and Hort. </font>[/QUOTE]I think you vaguely deal with anything what you want to defend. I am aware of Westcott and Hort. I am also aware of the W/H group. Is Mr.K one of the W/H group? What about YOU?
     
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  5. skanwmatos

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    Why are you being so vague? What are you aware of regarding Westcott and Hort. And who is the "W?H group" and how did they become members? Is this the same thing as Ruckman's "Alexandrian cult?"

    As for me, everybody on the list knows I am a Byzantine man. What are you?
     
    #85 skanwmatos, Apr 25, 2004
  6. Askjo

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    Are you not aware of them?
    You do not know?????
    Can't you see that I am a Byzantine man?
     
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  7. skanwmatos

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    I know who they are, and I am aware of the work they did. I have also read some of their published works.

    Why are you avoiding answering my question? What is it about them that you are aware of that makes you reject them and all of their work?
    Does the fact that you refuse to answer prove that you don't know either and you were just making it up?
    Are you? If so, do you support the Byzantine readings when they disagree with the KJV? Or do you support the KJV against the Byzantine texts when the KJV follows the Alexandrian reading?
     
    #87 skanwmatos, Apr 25, 2004
  8. Askjo

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    Byzantine is TR; Antiochan is TR; TR is TR; traditional is TR. I am a TR man or a Byzantine man or an Antiochan man ,etc.,

    Let God take care of His Words; God will find you a liar! Which do you choose?

    TR vs TR or Byzantine vs Byzantine or TR vs Byzantine.....they differed each other, however they kept down to minimum.

    W/H vs W/H or W/H vs B & Aleph or W/H vs Alexandrian...they differed each other, however they went up to maximum.

    The best is minimum.

    You picked some information from them and defend them.
    I am aware of them because of their logic of unbelief.
    I know who they are, and I am aware of the work they did. I have also read some of their published works. </font>[/QUOTE]You contradict yourself here.
     
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  9. skanwmatos

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    I choose what God inspired.
    And what is it they don't believe?
    No, I don't. You just can't seem to understand simple sentences nor give an honest answer. I said I know who Westcott and Hort were, and that I was familiar with their body of work.

    I also asked you who the "W/H group were." You then, either deliberately or accidentally, applied my statement regarding W/H to what you call the "W/H group" or Ruckman calls "The Alexandrian Cult.

    Now, back to the issue. Who are these men you say are part of the "W/H group?" Do they know they are part of that group? How did they become a part of that group? What makes them part of that group? Can they be a member of that group and still be part of another group?
     
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  10. Askjo

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    You added non-inspired words.
    Doubt me???
    You missed my answer.
     
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  11. skanwmatos

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    I didn't add anything. I use a KJV. Unless you are saying the KJV added non-inspired words. Is that what you are now saying?
    Is this another admission you don't know and were lying when you made the claim?
    You didn't answer, as usual. You asked another question. You asked "Is Mr.K one of the W/H group?" You are the one who claims such a group exists and that you know who is a member of the supposed group. Now you seem to be backpedaling from your initial claim. Are you now admitting you don't really know of any such group and you have no idea where Mr. Kohlenberger stands on the version/text issue?

    One more question. Do you ever tell the truth on this forum?
     
    #91 skanwmatos, Apr 26, 2004
  12. Trotter

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    There was no answer to miss, just a lot of verbal dancesteps around the issue.

    Askjo rejects W&H because some claim that they were unbelievers and closet Catholics (I think I've got that straight...the KJVO dogma gets pretty convoluted on all its many ever-changing points). You know, like the Anglican scholars (English Catholics) that translated the King James...oops, did I say that?

    Askjo is just following the KJVO script by rejecting anything that didn't sprout from the cracks of the KJV.

    From what I have seen, W&H used sound logic in constructing their texts through textual criticism. As to their beliefs (or lack thereof), so what? We can't go back and change them for them, but their literary works still stand. If nothing else, (assuming they were unbelievers) their lack of convictions should have helped keep them honest as far as what the text actually said, instead of what they would want to read into it.

    Some of the most educated people (as far as the Bible goes) I have met have been atheists. They study the Bible in order to be able to argue more effectively. But therein lies the downfall of many. In their attempt to know their enemy, the Holy Spirit begins to deal with their heart, and they find themselves convicted, and accept Christ.

    Askjo, take off the KJVO blinders and see what really is and isn't. There really is a whole world of Biblical discovery out there, if you are willing to open your eyes.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #92 Trotter, Apr 26, 2004
  13. skanwmatos

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    Yes, you did. I heard you! :D :D :D
    I disagree, somewhat, regarding their rules for modern scientific textual criticism. I believe they are often subjective and even based on wishful thinking.
    I agree. The soundness of their faith, or lack thereof, does not change the facts of manuscript evidence. It may affect their conclusions, which it may have done, but the facts of the evidence remain the same.
    Amen! Well said! [​IMG]
     
    #93 skanwmatos, Apr 26, 2004
  14. gb93433

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    The more I read what the KJVO's write the more I realize I have heard many of the same things from the JW's. Why is that?
     
    #94 gb93433, Apr 26, 2004
  15. Askjo

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    If I use the KJV, I said "heaven." If you use the KJV, you said, "heavenS" You are an adder. I agree with Will K. Do you agree with him?
    You still question me.
    You selected him because you doubt he is a W/H man, do you?
     
    #95 Askjo, Apr 26, 2004
  16. Askjo

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    Correct, what do you know about the W/H reflecting their unbelief?
    What do you think of Will K's comments on different subjects between the KJV and MVs?
    the facts what I studied about are very obvious to see many things CHANGED because of what?
    They wanted to changed these texts because they are unbelievers.
    Am I KJVO blinder? Will K? A-A? Homebound?
     
    #96 Askjo, Apr 26, 2004
  17. skanwmatos

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    Once again you fail to understand. I said the Hebrew word is a dual. There are no duals in English. There are only singulars and plurals. It is correct to translate the word either way. The KJV is correct and so is the NKJV.
    And you still weave and dodge and refuse to give an honest answer.
    I didn't select him at all for anything. He happened to be co-editor of the book I recommended to you which corrects many of the really stupid mistakes in your old Strong's.
     
    #97 skanwmatos, Apr 26, 2004
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    Yes, for the simple reason that you refuse to see the inconsistencies and double standards of your position.
     
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  19. Phillip

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    Skan,

    Until I can afford a Stronger Strong's can you tell me the how many errors (approx.) there are in the Strongs? I have a 1980 printing of Abingdon's Strongs with Abingdon's Key-Word comparison and a Strong's Hendrickson version.

    I assume they both contain the regular old Strong's.

    Are we talking about large-multiple errors, or a few specialized or specific errors that would be small enough to keep track of?
     
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  20. Askjo

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    MVs said HeavenS because the NKJV agrees with them, not the KJV. That is very obvious to show that you support MVs.
    You are inexcusable.
     
    #100 Askjo, Apr 26, 2004
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